Old Topic Revisited - Food Storage on the Ark

[PrincetonGuy]

Hibernation is a scientifically reasonable means of achieving survival and operability of the ark enviroment.

Joman.

Posting ridiculously false information on a Christian message board is absolutely disgusting! And bending, twisting, distorting, and mutilating the Book of Genesis to defend one’s own private interpretation of it is equally disgusting! Have you read the many threads in which the non-Christians explain why they are non-Christians? Many of them have rejected Christ and His gospel because of Christians who have brought discredit to the Bible and the Christian faith by making them appear to be based upon stupidity, deliberate ignorance, and dishonesty!

Please study the facts instead of disseminating false information!

 

[PrincetonGuy]

In my opinion all noah would of needed would of been straw, fish and certain vegetables for the animals. And that wouldn't take much space at all. Noah was only on the boat for 40 days and 40 nights, thats only little over a month. Thats not long at all. Plus Noah had a lot of time to get food supplys ready for the flood.

Opinions that are contrary to established fact are not worth very much. Very many animals have VERY strict dietary requirements.

Timmothy, I understand that you are a Christian and that you are not deliberately misrepresenting the truth, but I believe that you should study the facts before expressing your opinions to others.

 

[Timmothy]

Posting ridiculously false information on a Christian message board is absolutely disgusting! And bending, twisting, distorting, and mutilating the Book of Genesis to defend one’s own private interpretation of it is equally disgusting! Have you read the many threads in which the non-Christians explain why they are non-Christians? Many of them have rejected Christ and His gospel because of Christians who have brought discredit to the Bible and the Christian faith by making them appear to be based upon stupidity, deliberate ignorance, and dishonesty!

Please study the facts instead of disseminating false information!

I dont believe in bits & pieces of the Bible, I believe in everything the Bible says. People asked for my opinion so I gave it to them. Sorry if you disagree.

 

[Timmothy]

Opinions that are contrary to established fact are not worth very much. Very many animals have VERY strict dietary requirements.

Timmothy, I understand that you are a Christian and that you are not deliberately misrepresenting the truth, but I believe that you should study the facts before expressing your opinions to others.

i understand

 

[Phred]

I dont believe in bits & pieces of the Bible, I believe in everything the Bible says. People asked for my opinion so I gave it to them. Sorry if you disagree.

So you believe in stoning kids who disobey their parents? You believe donkeys and snakes talk? You believe that it's ok to be mad at one person and kill thousands of others to make them change their mind? You believe the Sun orbits the Earth too... right?

You see, you don't believe everything the Bible SAYS. You believe what you've interpreted the Bible to mean.

 

[Timmothy]

So you believe in stoning kids who disobey their parents? You believe donkeys and snakes talk? You believe that it's ok to be mad at one person and kill thousands of others to make them change their mind? You believe the Sun orbits the Earth too... right?

You see, you don't believe everything the Bible SAYS. You believe what you've interpreted the Bible to mean.

I believe what the Bible says, lets get back on the topic of Noahs ark.

 

[TheBear]

Where's RightWingGirl? She was quite active in this discussion before the insect question.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I dont believe in bits & pieces of the Bible, I believe in everything the Bible says. People asked for my opinion so I gave it to them. Sorry if you disagree.

Timmothy,

I am thankful for your faith in God and your belief that the Bible is true. I also believe in God and I also believe that the Bible is true. And I do not just believe that the Bible is true because other Christians say that it is true—I believe that it is true because when I began applying its teachings to my life, my life radically improved. And, of course, I have seen the same thing in others.

I have spent thousands of hours studying Paul and his epistles and I know that Paul was a real human being who was radically transformed by the power of the gospel, and a man whose witness and testimony is absolutely true. At one point late in his life, Paul wrote to Timothy,

Make every effort to come to me soon; for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. Only Luke is with me. (2 Tim. 4:9-11a)

Luke was “the beloved physician” who was always faithful and a man whose gospel and early church history are very reliable. I believe Luke, and I believe Paul, and their testimony and witness is consistent with the message of the Bible as a whole, therefore I believe the whole of the Bible. But the Bible is a collection of literature written in a wide variety of kinds. The large majority of the scholars today of the Book of Genesis believe that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are epic literature that was never intended to be interpreted as a treatise on history or science. For more information about epic literature, check out this web site: http://www.auburn.edu/~downejm/reviews.html

 

[Opethian]

Your right i dont know much about it. It is my first class in Geology, and it is my only second week in it. But I can name off alot of minerals for you. Or tell you what the rock cycle does. Or I can tell you how to id different minerals and what kind of test you can do to do so. Like what kind of luster do they have or where are they on the hardness scale. Or what kind of streak they leave. Or wait how about if the mineral is matallic or non matallic. Or if they react to acid. Maybe I could tell you what certain minerals have cleavage, or if they have crystal faces. Iam only on minerals if you cant tell lol sorry but I really dont know much past that. But dont judge some body if you dont know them personally, because the way they type or if you dont agree on what they say. I have had a lot of people poke fun on the way I spell an so on. Last time I checked this wasnt school.

Thanks
Tim

I don't care about spelling really, there's a lot of smart people that have problems typing too, because of things like dyslexia. It's good that you know these things about minerals, but that's only a touch on the surface. The really interesting things about geology are the way that sedimentation occurs, and the different processes that go on under different circumstances, in different environments. The plate movements, and their link with seismological activity and continent drift is also very interesting. By understanding these global processes, you understand much better how the earth as we see it today came to be, and once you do that, you can see that YEC is a bit ridiculous. I have no problems with creationists, as long as they do not limit their knowledge because of their beliefs. So I advise you this: Whenever you get a chance, try and gain more knowledge. Be skeptical, don't believe everything people tell you, look up information and form your own opinion on it once you understand the process. That's the fun part about life: understanding it!
Once you understand it, it's much easier to live .

 

[RightWingGirl]

Where's RightWingGirl? She was quite active in this discussion before the insect question.

My brother found out that Tanarus just became free to play again, and took the computer the last couple evenings.

Which insect question was this?

 

[RightWingGirl]

Do you know of any verses in the Bible (other than Genesis) where the age of the earth, or a global flood was mentioned? Anywhere that indicates if the Genesis story is fact or not?

Timmothy,

I am thankful for your faith in God and your belief that the Bible is true. I also believe in God and I also believe that the Bible is true. And I do not just believe that the Bible is true because other Christians say that it is true—I believe that it is true because when I began applying its teachings to my life, my life radically improved. And, of course, I have seen the same thing in others.

I have spent thousands of hours studying Paul and his epistles and I know that Paul was a real human being who was radically transformed by the power of the gospel, and a man whose witness and testimony is absolutely true. At one point late in his life, Paul wrote to Timothy,

Make every effort to come to me soon; for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. Only Luke is with me. (2 Tim. 4:9-11a)

Luke was “the beloved physician” who was always faithful and a man whose gospel and early church history are very reliable. I believe Luke, and I believe Paul, and their testimony and witness is consistent with the message of the Bible as a whole, therefore I believe the whole of the Bible. But the Bible is a collection of literature written in a wide variety of kinds. The large majority of the scholars today of the Book of Genesis believe that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are epic literature that was never intended to be interpreted as a treatise on history or science. For more information about epic literature, check out this web site: http://www.auburn.edu/~downejm/reviews.html

 

[Guywiththehead]

I dont believe in bits & pieces of the Bible, I believe in everything the Bible says. People asked for my opinion so I gave it to them. Sorry if you disagree.

Unless you believe in a flat Earth, geocentricity, and the four-leggedness of insects, you're lying.

 

[TheBear]

My brother found out that Tanarus just became free to play again, and took the computer the last couple evenings.

Which insect question was this?

Wow.

I'm glad you got it back.


The insect question is here.

 

[Tenka]

He didnt recreated them over again. The animals lived a regular life after the flood and went on there separte ways, and spread out through the world.

If Noah could have employed a team of geneticists, vets and zoologists to intensively manage the rapid, planned breeding and diversification of each species he still would have had an impossible task of restoring the biodiversity.
Calling on hyperevolution to restore it is tantamount to God recreating them anyway because it is not a natural possibilty.
God still had to recreate all of the aquatic life, vegetation, invertebrates and probably birds as well.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Do you know of any verses in the Bible (other than Genesis) where the age of the earth, or a global flood was mentioned? Anywhere that indicates if the Genesis story is fact or not?

All that we have is the following:

Matt. 24:38
Luke 17:27
Heb. 11:7
1 Pet. 3:20-21
2 Pet. 2:5

Here they are in context:

Luke 17:22. And He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
23. "They will say to you, 'Look there! Look here!' Do not go away, and do not run after them.
24. "For just like the lightning, when it flashes out of one part of the sky, shines to the other part of the sky, so will the Son of Man be in His day.
25. "But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26. "And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
27. they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28. "It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building;
29. but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

Matt. 24:32. "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;
33. so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.
34. "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
35. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
37. "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
38. "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39. and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Heb. 11:6. And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
7. By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
8. By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going.
9. By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;
10. for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

1 Pet. 3:18. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
19. in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
20. who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
21. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22. who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

2 Pet. 2: 4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
5. and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
7. and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men
8. (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds),
9. then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
10. and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11. whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.

 

[TheBear]

 

[TheBear]

Actually it seems Noah only took land animals on the ark.

So all the insects survived in the water for all those months?

 

[Timmothy]

If Noah could have employed a team of geneticists, vets and zoologists to intensively manage the rapid, planned breeding and diversification of each species he still would have had an impossible task of restoring the biodiversity.
Calling on hyperevolution to restore it is tantamount to God recreating them anyway because it is not a natural possibilty.
God still had to recreate all of the aquatic life, vegetation, invertebrates and probably birds as well.

Thats where iam going to have to tell you this is where my faith comes in, and iam just going by the word of the bible. Iam sorry i cant answer your question. I wish I could.

 

[RightWingGirl]

Thank you! I had missed this question before.

All of the land animals were taken; the insects are then only a problem if they are water animals.

 

[RightWingGirl]

If Noah could have employed a team of geneticists, vets and zoologists to intensively manage the rapid, planned breeding and diversification of each species he still would have had an impossible task of restoring the biodiversity.
Calling on hyperevolution to restore it is tantamount to God recreating them anyway because it is not a natural possibilty.
God still had to recreate all of the aquatic life, vegetation, invertebrates and probably birds as well.

What makes you think that "hyper-evolution" was needed? The change of animals after the flood is not that great. Differences in size, color, habits, but nothing that requires millions of years. Which animals in particular do you think would be a problem?