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Old Testament versus New Testament

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I know this has been brought up quite often, so I'll be brief.

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I'm looking for supported opinions and/or references to any literature clarifying whether or not the Old Testament law still applies to Christians.

If it does still apply, what is the extent of its application?
 
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Since you were not specific, this should sum it up:

Mark 12:28-30
(28) And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
(29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
(30) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


which is from:

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
(4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
(5) And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
 
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The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation. If you skip the first half of any good book and try to finish it, you will have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending. In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the Jews were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King). Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry (Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

Without the Old Testament, we would not understand the Jewish customs that are mentioned in passing in the New Testament. We would not understand the perversions that the Pharisees had made to God's law as they added their traditions to it. We would not understand why Jesus was so upset as He cleansed the temple courtyard. We would not understand that we can make use of the same wisdom that Christ used in His many replies to His adversaries.

The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament. In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming. It is these details that validate Jesus' claim to be the promised Christ. And even the prophecies in the New Testament (many of which are in the book of Revelation) are built upon earlier prophecies found in Old Testament books. These New Testament prophecies relate to events surrounding the second coming of Christ. Roughly two out of three verses in Revelation are based on or related to Old Testament verses.

Also, because the revelation in Scripture is progressive, the New Testament brings into focus teachings that were only alluded to in the Old Testament. The book of Hebrews describes how Jesus is the true High Priest and how His one sacrifice replaces all of the previous sacrifices, which were mere portrayals. The Old Testament gives the Law, which has two parts: the commandments and the blessing/curse that comes from obedience or disobedience to those commands. The New Testament clarifies that God gave those commandments to show men their need of salvation; they were never intended to be a means of salvation (Romans 3:19).

The Old Testament describes the sacrificial system God gave the Israelites to temporarily cover their sins. The New Testament clarifies that this system alluded to the sacrifice of Christ through whom alone salvation is found (Acts 4:12; Hebrews 10:4-10). The Old Testament saw paradise lost; the New Testament shows how paradise was regained for mankind through the second Adam (Christ) and how it will one day be restored. The Old Testament declares that man was separated from God through sin (Genesis chapter 3), and the New Testament declares that man can now be restored in his relationship to God (Romans chapters 3–6). The Old Testament predicted the Messiah's life. The Gospels primarily record Jesus' life, and the Epistles interpret His life and how we are to respond to all He has done.

Without the Old Testament we would not understand the promises God will yet fulfill to the Jewish nation. As a result, we would not properly see that the tribulation period is a seven-year period in which He will specifically be working with the Jewish nation who rejected His first coming but who will receive Him at His second coming. We would not understand how Christ's future 1000-year reign fits in with His promises to the Jews, or how Gentiles will fit in. Nor would we see how the end of the Bible ties up the loose ends that were unraveled in the beginning of the Bible, restoring the paradise that God originally created this world to be.

In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). The New Testament shares the life of Jesus Christ and then looks back on what He did and how we are to respond to His gift of eternal life and live our lives in gratitude for all He has done for us (Romans 12). Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice. In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

Recommended Resource: The Quest Study Bible.

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The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation. If you skip the first half of any good book and try to finish it, you will have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending. In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.

If we only had the New Testament, we would come to the gospels and not know why the Jews were looking for a Messiah (a Savior King). Without the Old Testament, we would not understand why this Messiah was coming (see Isaiah 53), and we would not have been able to identify Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah through the many detailed prophecies that were given concerning Him, e.g., His birthplace (Micah 5:2); His manner of death (Psalm 22, especially vv. 1, 7-8, 14-18; Psalm 69:21), His resurrection (Psalm 16:10), and many more details of His ministry (Isaiah 52:19, 9:2).

Without the Old Testament, we would not understand the Jewish customs that are mentioned in passing in the New Testament. We would not understand the perversions that the Pharisees had made to God's law as they added their traditions to it. We would not understand why Jesus was so upset as He cleansed the temple courtyard. We would not understand that we can make use of the same wisdom that Christ used in His many replies to His adversaries.

The New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the apostles record many of the fulfillments of prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament. In the circumstances of Jesus' birth, life, miracles, death, and resurrection as found in the Gospels, we find the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies that relate to the Messiah's first coming. It is these details that validate Jesus' claim to be the promised Christ. And even the prophecies in the New Testament (many of which are in the book of Revelation) are built upon earlier prophecies found in Old Testament books. These New Testament prophecies relate to events surrounding the second coming of Christ. Roughly two out of three verses in Revelation are based on or related to Old Testament verses.

Also, because the revelation in Scripture is progressive, the New Testament brings into focus teachings that were only alluded to in the Old Testament. The book of Hebrews describes how Jesus is the true High Priest and how His one sacrifice replaces all of the previous sacrifices, which were mere portrayals. The Old Testament gives the Law, which has two parts: the commandments and the blessing/curse that comes from obedience or disobedience to those commands. The New Testament clarifies that God gave those commandments to show men their need of salvation; they were never intended to be a means of salvation (Romans 3:19).

The Old Testament describes the sacrificial system God gave the Israelites to temporarily cover their sins. The New Testament clarifies that this system alluded to the sacrifice of Christ through whom alone salvation is found (Acts 4:12; Hebrews 10:4-10). The Old Testament saw paradise lost; the New Testament shows how paradise was regained for mankind through the second Adam (Christ) and how it will one day be restored. The Old Testament declares that man was separated from God through sin (Genesis chapter 3), and the New Testament declares that man can now be restored in his relationship to God (Romans chapters 3–6). The Old Testament predicted the Messiah's life. The Gospels primarily record Jesus' life, and the Epistles interpret His life and how we are to respond to all He has done.

Without the Old Testament we would not understand the promises God will yet fulfill to the Jewish nation. As a result, we would not properly see that the tribulation period is a seven-year period in which He will specifically be working with the Jewish nation who rejected His first coming but who will receive Him at His second coming. We would not understand how Christ's future 1000-year reign fits in with His promises to the Jews, or how Gentiles will fit in. Nor would we see how the end of the Bible ties up the loose ends that were unraveled in the beginning of the Bible, restoring the paradise that God originally created this world to be.

In summary, the Old Testament lays the foundation for, and was meant to prepare the Israelites for, the coming of the Messiah who would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). The New Testament shares the life of Jesus Christ and then looks back on what He did and how we are to respond to His gift of eternal life and live our lives in gratitude for all He has done for us (Romans 12). Both testaments reveal the same holy, merciful, and righteous God who must condemn sin but who desires to bring to Himself a fallen human race of sinners through the forgiveness only possible through Christ's atoning sacrifice. In both testaments, God reveals Himself to us and how we are to come to Him through Jesus Christ. In both testaments, we find all we need for eternal life and godly living (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

Recommended Resource: The Quest Study Bible.

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@drich0150

Wow. That's just... wow.

Excellent. Thank you very much, for the information as well as the references.

I apologize. I was being quite vague. I was referring most to how the laws of the Old Testament applied to modern Christians. I did not clarify this, which is my fault.

But I was also curious as to the relationship between the OT and NT, and you gave me a good foundation to start on. Much obliged. :)
 
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@drich0150

Wow. That's just... wow.

Excellent. Thank you very much, for the information as well as the references.

I apologize. I was being quite vague. I was referring most to how the laws of the Old Testament applied to modern Christians. I did not clarify this, which is my fault.

But I was also curious as to the relationship between the OT and NT, and you gave me a good foundation to start on. Much obliged. :)

I am of the belief that when Jesus made the statements in

Mat 5:17 "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete.
Mat 5:18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud ( י ) or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.
Mat 5:19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P'rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!

that He in no way meant these words to mean for just the next 3 years or so. That would have been silly. Besides, last time I checked we still have a heaven and I don't think I've left the earth, so the law is still alive and well.
It is the curse of the law that we have been set free from, not the obeying of the law.

If the Spirit is leading you in this direction, it would be best to follow His leading, but He won't force the issue.
Feel free to pm me if you'd like
 
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@drich0150

Wow. That's just... wow.

Excellent. Thank you very much, for the information as well as the references.

I apologize. I was being quite vague. I was referring most to how the laws of the Old Testament applied to modern Christians. I did not clarify this, which is my fault.

But I was also curious as to the relationship between the OT and NT, and you gave me a good foundation to start on. Much obliged. :)

In addition to what yedida posted, read the entire book of Hebrews. That should answer your questions completely. Christ fulfilled the Law and brought Grace to us. We are now under grace, not the Law. Once you have finished reading Hebrews, jump to Paul's letter to the Galatians. You will find that while we are no longer under the Law, we do have responsibilities under the freedoms of Grace.

Oh, and most importantly, once we accept Christ as personal Savior and Lord of our lives, He, Jesus, sends us the Holy Spirit, who, through the reading of the Word, sets us apart and renews our minds, which is necessary for us to be fully able to be used by Him. Once we allow the Holy Spirit to work in our lives and we surrender more and more of ourselves to Him, none of the OT Law are difficult for us to keep, because the Holy Spirit empowers and renews us to do so. The OT Law truly does become a non-issue.

Be blessed,
Lee
 
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In addition to what yedida posted, read the entire book of Hebrews. That should answer your questions completely. Christ fulfilled the Law and brought Grace to us. We are now under grace, not the Law. Once you have finished reading Hebrews, jump to Paul's letter to the Galatians. You will find that while we are no longer under the Law, we do have responsibilities under the freedoms of Grace.

This is exactly the opposite of what he is saying.

We are joined to Israel through our faith in Jesus, therefore we are co-heirs with them, and have access to the covenants of promise (Eph 2v12-13) ie the covenant with Abraham: faith, the covenant with Moses at Sinai; the Torah, or law, and the new or renewed covenant; to write the Torah on our hearts.


God did not give the Torah to the children of Israel until after they were free from slavery in the desert, just as he does not give us his instructions (the Torah) until after we are free in our faith in Jesus. However because we as gentiles and are not born into the natural covenant, we are not obliged to keep it. However we can if God leads us and we so choose bind ourselves to it, as yedida and I, and many more of us have.

If you believe God is calling you to this then research and read and pray and seek God and find out what he is saying to you.
 
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ps. you will find through your searching that it a greater understanding of Gods instruction within the old testament actually helps you to understand the new testament in a whole new and much deeper way. Is shows you Jesus much more vividly than the sanitized, westernised version most churches propagate.
 
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This is exactly the opposite of what he is saying.

We are joined to Israel through our faith in Jesus, therefore we are co-heirs with them, and have access to the covenants of promise (Eph 2v12-13) ie the covenant with Abraham: faith, the covenant with Moses at Sinai; the Torah, or law, and the new or renewed covenant; to write the Torah on our hearts.


God did not give the Torah to the children of Israel until after they were free from slavery in the desert, just as he does not give us his instructions (the Torah) until after we are free in our faith in Jesus. However because we as gentiles and are not born into the natural covenant, we are not obliged to keep it. However we can if God leads us and we so choose bind ourselves to it, as yedida and I, and many more of us have.

If you believe God is calling you to this then research and read and pray and seek God and find out what he is saying to you.

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ. Galatians 1:6-10
 
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[The OT] shows you Jesus much more vividly than the sanitized, westernised version most churches propagate.

Very true! Also, it's not necessary to attempt to keep the Jewish law to experience this. But every aspect of the law speaks of Christ ...
 
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Very true! Also, it's not necessary to attempt to keep the Jewish law to experience this. But every aspect of the law speaks of Christ ...

It's not "the Jewish law," it's the Law of God. It came from Him to the people who would be called by His name. Does a person who believes in Jesus want to be called by His name? Then God was speaking to you through Moses too. You have been adopted as children of God, but you are not second-class kids - the same blessings and promises that were made to the Hebrews has come upon the Gentiles through grace by faith, but with the blessings and promises comes a necessity for obedience.
Yes, the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth BUT along side of the Holy Spirit, one also has to deal with their own desires and sometimes even satan gets his 2cents worth of desires into your thinking. If you are unaware of what God has said concerning the thing, by what measure can you make a discernment?
We have not died to the Law of God, nor has it been annulled. What has been nailed to the cross is the condemnation that the Law once held over us and the curses incurred when we mess up.
 
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6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ. Galatians 1:6-10

Actually, if you knew me you would know that having this understanding has increased my appreciation of grace, and enhanced my relationship with the Messiah Jesus. We follow the commandments of God because we love Him, not because we think we can keep it by our own efforts.
 
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