Project 86 said:
Angels could have been created on day 1 or before then. That doesn't mean outer space and planets where made before day 1.
Job and God are discussing the creation week.
38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all
the sons of God shouted for joy?
The stars and the angles existed....
38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
The earth is covered with water before the creation weeks starts.
38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Creation of the firmament or water canopy
38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Land is created.
In this progression the stars and angles exist before the creation week is started.
Project 86 said:
In fact the verse I have posted before I would say claims otherwise. Heaven where the angels dwell is not some place where we can fly out to in a space ship.
If the angles can exist on Earth and speak to men, why would you say they can not exit in space?
Project 86 said:
Angels
Also don't forget the sun and other stars were not made until until day 4.
The greater light, lesser light and stars described in day four are in the atmosphere or Firmament Heaven where the birds fly, not in outer space.
This is defined three times as if God knew it would not be an acceptable idea.
Gen
1:14 And God said, Let there be
lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for
lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And
God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
These lights are not the sun and moon.
If the greater light and the lesser light were the sun and moon why didn't the text use the word for sun and moon?
They did have words for sun and moon that could have been used but there is a deliberate use of a description to differentiate these objects from the sun and moon.
Also in verse 2
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The attention of God is towards the surface of the Earth and at no time during the creation week does it say "God changed His attention to another place.
This indicates that all creation in the following 6 days pertained to the surface of the Earth.
With land, sea, firmament, plans, fish, animals, man, and lights in the sky all created between the waters, not the core of the earth or outer space.
The lights would be destroyed with the water canopy during the flood.
That is why no Bible text referring to heavenly bodies after the flood specify the firmament heaven but only refer to "space" heaven which was created in Gen 1:1
Also there is no time in the Bible, referring to a time after the flood where the sun and moon are referred to as the greater and lesser light, indicating that the greater and lesser lights are not the sun and moon but no longer exist.
Duane
