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Oklahoma's Most "Un"Christian Christian legislative agenda

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I visited Tulsa last week to see a Broadway show, and I visited OKC a few months ago for surgery. I am much more familiar with Tulsa than OKC, but they certainly didn't seem to be overwhelmed with undocumented immigrants.

There are other parts of Oklahoma I'm more familiar with, and while they have some immigrants, they're not sleeping on the street or terrorizing towns with gangs.
 
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I visited Tulsa last week to see a Broadway show, and I visited OKC a few months ago for surgery. I am much more familiar with Tulsa than OKC, but they certainly didn't seem to be overwhelmed with undocumented immigrants.

There are other parts of Oklahoma I'm more familiar with, and while they have some immigrants, they're not sleeping on the street or terrorizing towns with gangs.
I live in OK - a suburb of Tulsa - and it is called PREVENTION -

Do you put locks on your home before you have problems, or after?

Broken Arrow is listed as one of the safest mid sized cities in the US - we would like to keep it that way.
 
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Point it out - quote it.
Good grief. You posted it for me but wont read it for yourself.
Here are the relevant paragraphs quoted for you:

The term [homeless persons] includes those persons and families who do not have
access to normal accommodations as a result of violence or the
threat of violence from a cohabitant
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B. No municipality of this state with a population less than three hundred thousand (300,000) according to the most recent Federal Decennial Census shall provide programs or services to homeless persons including, but not limited to, owning or leasing land for the purpose of building or maintaining a homeless shelter.
 
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Point it out - quote it.

Heres the whole thing with the battered womens (with kids) part highlighted for you (since I'll probably get accused of ignoring context, or any excuse to avoid thinking clearly about this.)

BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA: SECTION 1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 22-140 of Title 11, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:

A. As used in this section:
1. “Homeless person” or “homeless persons” means any person or persons who:

a. lacks a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence,
b. has as a primary nighttime residence a publicly or privately operated shelter designed to provide temporary living accommodations, or
c. has as a primary nighttime residence a public or private place not designed for, or ordinarily used as, a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings.

The term includes those persons and families who do not have access to normal accommodations as a result of violence or the threat of violence from a cohabitant; and

2. “Homeless shelter” means a facility providing temporary housing and services for homeless persons.

B. No municipality of this state with a population less than three hundred thousand (300,000) according to the most recent Federal Decennial Census shall provide programs or services to homeless persons including, but not limited to, owning or leasing land for the purpose of building or maintaining a homeless shelter.

C. Any municipality that meets the population requirement set forth in subsection B of this section that is providing programs or services to homeless persons on the effective date of this act shall immediately terminate such services and, if the municipality currently owns or leases land for the purpose of building or maintaining a homeless shelter, cease using the land for such purpose. SECTION 2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2025. 60-1-840 MSBB 1/19/2025 5:37:18 AM
 
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Show me where it speaks of battered woman's shelter (sometimes with kids).

It is yet another feigned offence IMHO
So, now that we've seen the whole proposal, can you explain to me how my offense is feigned?

I mean, obviously its in the bill, right? (Why I had to find it for you in the bill you linked is beyond me). So you must mean that I dont actually care about this issue, and am just pretending to.

I do care about this issue. Ages ago I even fixed bikes for the kids at the local womens shelter. Not virtue signaling here - I was dating the gal who ran the place, so my motivation was hardly pure. But I did develop an affinity for this particular issue from being up close for just that brief time. How could one not?
 
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Let's just look at the first one - it is about as much misinformation as an intelligent person can stand.

Oklahoma has a grand total of four cities with populations over 100k - two o which are large enough to fit the criteria of the bill. Other than smearing the Republican led (duly elected) representatives - why would we want to limit homeless shelters to cities large enough to provide for them.


Haitian migrants overwhelming small Indiana town: ‘It’s just overrun’


There are numbers of small cities in the US that are over run and inundated by the illegal aliens the Democrats allowed to run loose and unvetted. This bill protects citizens in OK small towns from experiencing the same.
Wouldn’t the statute force OK’s homeless to congregate in the 300K towns?
 
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Is there evidence any of these bills are likely to actually become law? Individual people in congress (on the state and federal level) submit harebrained bills all the time that go nowhere and seem to serve no purpose other than for people on the opposing political side to point to them and say "See?! This is how crazy the opposing side is!"

Let's take the homeless shelter bill that prohibits creation and funding of them by governments outside of in the largest cities, which seems to be getting the most attention here.

First, I should point out that the description in the opening post is misleading. It claims it "Makes it illegal for for [sic] homeless shelters and outreach to exist outside of Tulsa and OKC. This may also include battered women’s shelters."

This isn't what it does. It makes it illegal for city-run homeless shelters to exist. If a non-governmental charity wants to set one up, they can. durangodawood nicely posted the text in this topic, and we can see what it says is "No municipality of this state with a population less than three hundred thousand (300,000) according to the most recent Federal Decennial Census shall provide programs or services to homeless persons including, but not limited to, owning or leasing land for the purpose of building or maintaining a homeless shelter." See what that says? It says the municipalities--the city governments--can't provide the programs or services to homeless persons. It doesn't say other entities like charities can't.

So already the opening post's statement that it makes it illegal for homeless shelters to exist is simply false, when it applies only to the city-run ones.

But, okay, someone might say. Even if they exaggerated a bit, isn't it still a silly law to actually prohibit the creation of homeless shelters? It does sound a bit odd to me indeed. But this then brings us to the next point: Is there any reason to believe this bill has any actual chance of becoming law? So far, its status was that it was written up and submitted. And... that's it. Hasn't gone to committee or had anything done with it yet. The legislative session doesn't even start until Monday! All that's happened is that someone wrote up a bill and submitted it, and we have no indication yet that there is any particular interest in passing it.

For the record, at least some lawmakers have expressed skepticism of the bill:

Townley said she's not confident that Senate Bill 484 will get very far at the Oklahoma Capitol.

"If these cities want to fund these programs, it should be up to the city," the lawmaker said. "If one of these not-for-profits want to fund any of these programs, that should be their choice. It still has a long, long, long way to go before it's law. I don't see it even making it very far in committee."

Amendments could be made to the legislation, which is scheduled to get its first reading on Monday.


So unless there is any particular reason to believe any of these bills as they currently stand will become law, these criticisms seems to be the same thing as when some silly California law gets submitted by one or two state legislatures and conservatives use it to talk about how crazy the Democrats are, even though the bill ended up being dead on arrival and went nowhere.
 
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When you have firmly entrenched one party leadership in a state, complete with supermajorities, it's amazing how crazy laws can be.
Let's not bring California into this...
 
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Let's just look at the first one - it is about as much misinformation as an intelligent person can stand.

Oklahoma has a grand total of four cities with populations over 100k - two o which are large enough to fit the criteria of the bill. Other than smearing the Republican led (duly elected) representatives - why would we want to limit homeless shelters to cities large enough to provide for them.


Haitian migrants overwhelming small Indiana town: ‘It’s just overrun’


There are numbers of small cities in the US that are over run and inundated by the illegal aliens the Democrats allowed to run loose and unvetted. This bill protects citizens in OK small towns from experiencing the same.
Oh, there are jobs going without workers in small Oklahoma towns?
(What might lure Haitian migrants to these towns?)
 
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Maybe larger municipalities are better funded by taxpayer money.

"Provisions
The bill would prohibit municipalities with a population under 300,000 from using taxpayer funds to provide services for homeless individuals.
Only cities with a population over 300,000, such as Oklahoma City and Tulsa, would be allowed to continue providing services to homeless individuals."

SB 328 should include single parents.

SB 1006 I don't think it should be placed in schools or anywhere else unless there is someone qualified to teach the kids what they mean and who they were given to. I didn't know there was two sets of commandments but I don't care because I have Jesus. If it is in school I wouldn't mind them in textbooks as long as the other religions are taught.
I got a thread started on a rural/urban divide system, but apparently that’s a silly notion.
 
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I live in OK - a suburb of Tulsa - and it is called PREVENTION -

Do you put locks on your home before you have problems, or after?

Broken Arrow is listed as one of the safest mid sized cities in the US - we would like to keep it that way.
I do admit that a lot of ”public-policy” has historically been trying to “keep the riff-riff out”, it’s a time-honored tradition, even though it’s kinda, sorta “elitism”. (More tinged with Randian influences, “it got mine…”, but it’s there).
 
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A higher minimum wage.
Yes, I understand what you are saying, but on the other hand...

Wouldn't that force all prices to increase in the process?

And I DO have issues with minimum wage because it's NOT a livable wage.
 
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My friend just posted this on Facebook. (We live near Oklahoma.) I can't imagine anything more un-Christian than denying child tax credits to the families who need it most! These are children Oklahoma wants to harm. And do they really think that Tulsa and OKC are the only parts of Oklahoma where there is homelessness--and spousal abuse? WWJD? (Hopefully they will consider that question before they vote.)

SB 228 offers covenant marriage as an "option." As long as it remains an option, it's morally neutral.
The ten commandments? Did you know that the Catholic ten commandments are different from the Protestant ones? Protestants separate the first in two and combine the ninth and tenth. Catholics keep the first as one and separate the ninth and tenth. There is an awful lot of material in typical classrooms and I don't think it will have much of an effect one way or another. I would sort of prefer a large poster of Mt 7:12 (the Golden Rule) or the two great commandments.


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YES! The Catholic and Lutheran 10 commandments are the same. The rest of the 10 commandments from Protestants are different. I memorized the Catholic 10 commandments from Taylor Marshall.

Anyway, no, we live in a secular nation. No, we shouldn't be putting up religious literature et al in public schools because that's against the 1st amendment. Freedom of religion applies to ALL.
 
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