okay.

[annrobert]

since Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken


then it must be that these people never want forgiveness and never come to Jesus

because if they came to Jesus

Jesus said He that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken

and Jesus Word will never pass away.

 

[Caty]

I dont think those things about Jesus, but I wonder if I really meant them and wanted to say them in my head, I hope that I didn't and I dont want to if I do, I just want to start over adn be accepted, but I know that you see that those scriptures say that i can still be saved or that I already am, but to me they mean (when you put the whole bible together, including those helpful ones and the one about the uf-sin) that it means that no matter what you will not be forgiven, and the ones who are forgiven just haven't committed that sin. I dont get it when you all say put the Bible in whole, bc thats where i get that ALL sins will be forgiven if you ask, EXCEPT one. but thanks for helping, I really do appreciate it.

 

[annrobert]

caty people who do that sin, do not want forgiveness and do not come to Jesus and that is why it is unforgivable.

I just want to start over adn be accepted

This shows a heart that wants forgiveness and acceptance.
This shows a heart that wants Jesus.
Therefore you will in no wise be cast out.
It is not possible because the scripture cannot be broken and Jesus words will not pass away.


since Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken


then it must be that these people never want forgiveness and never come to Jesus

because if they came to Jesus

Jesus said He that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken

and Jesus Word will never pass away.

The two scriptures do not contradict each other at all.
you are safe caty.

lots of love and care
annrobert

 

[Caty]

i hoope, im just holding on day by day (ever though that sounds cheesey) bc I'm not sure of anything. i KNOW that Ive meant some of the things (did u ever feel that way with ocd?)

 

[Caty]

like today some girl started a fight with me over nothing, bc I think her boyfriend said I was pretty or something and I had bad thoughts about the Holy Spirit, I tired to fight off some, but I thought them anyway. I know that whenever I hear or soemthing bad happening to me or someone else Ill have these thoughts and then when its over, i;ll think why in the world would u think something that bad about God over pointless things? thats why i feel dammed bc im sure that some of it is from me.

 

[annrobert]

i hoope, im just holding on day by day (ever though that sounds cheesey) bc I'm not sure of anything. i KNOW that Ive meant some of the things (did u ever feel that way with ocd?)

Caty that does not change anything
because you want forgiveness and you want Jesus.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken

As far as how the ocd affected me , I was in terror and anguish and this caused loads and loads of deep confusion.

thats why i feel dammed bc im sure that some of it is from me

That does not change Jesus words ......

You want Jesus
you want forgiveness

I just want to start over adn be accepted

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken

and Jesus words will never pass away

blessings
annrobert

 

[Caty]

I know what you are saying, but I still cant see how that one about the uf-sin, doesn't cancel the other ones, because even though the Bible says that ALL sins are forgiven, the scripture with the uf-sin says ALL sins and blasphemies will be forgiven, EXCEPT that one about the Holy Spirit, thats why im confused. and even though some say 'come to Him and you will be saved or you will not be cast out' if you read the Bible in whole you will see that you can be if you commit that sin, thats why im confused.

 

[annrobert]

you cannot be cast out if you come to Jesus
because the scripture cannot be broken


those who do that sin
do not come to Jesus.
Do not want forgiveness.
Do not want Jesus.
since they do not want Jesus
they cannot be forgiven



Those who want Jesus
want forgiveness
will not be denied
because Jesus said

he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken

and Jesus words will never pass away

Jesus is Truth

If Jesus were to cast out anyone who came to Him

The scripture would be broken
BUT the scripture cannot be broken
therefore absolutely Everyone who comes to Jesus can know of certainty that they will not be cast out
because Jesus said

he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

and the scripture cannot be broken

and Jesus words will never pass away

Jesus is Truth

You want Jesus
you want forgiveness
you will not be cast out
Caty you are safe.

 

[TimAM]

Hi Caty, I've been reading through this topic and I am so sorry that you struggle with this. I know how it feels as I also struggle with OCD. I am praying for you.

 

[Caty]

i just wish i could believe that but i can't because just like you cant read the scripture about the uf-sin by itself you cant read theones about forgiveness by them selves, so ALL sins can be forgiven excpet that one and if it didnt matter and you would know if you had committed it any way then why would He tell you , that you wouldnt be forgiven?

 

[annrobert]

forgive is in the king James bible 95 times,
this does not count all the other forms of reference
such as blotted out sins
washed
cleansed
sanctified
all things new
grace
mercy which is mentioned over and over
bore our trangressions
wounded for our iniquities
not counting our sins against us
reconciling
and so on and on and on
whosever will may drink
come and Jesus will not cast you out

never having forgiveness is mentioned once may twice?
and this only refers to those who do not come

since Jesus said whosoever will may come

that one or two references must agree with all the other 100's references of forgiveness and mercy.
The only way they can agree is because they do not want mercy and forgiveness and that is why they are never forgiven.


Those who want mercy and forgiveness
those who want Jesus will in no wise be cast out.

 

[Caty]

Well, I still dont get it. I don't ever think i'll be out of this Hell, even after I die. I've called the Holy Spirit those things (some in anger) and thats what the pharasiess did, i can kinda see how soe people would say it was bc they had completely rejected God, but why would he say 'speak a word' or 'He told them this bc they were saying...' I wish I could believe that I could be forgiven, but I can't and its kiling me bc im worrying all the time, i fight th thoughts when i lay down and when i wake up.

 

[Caty]

i just went and got breakfest for my mom and I and when the check total, it was teh mark of teh beast number. I wrote out the check for that, does that mean i took that mark? im really scared, bc one time a preacher told me about credit cards and the mark of the beast but you have to knowling do it, and if i knew taht was the mark of the beast but signed the check anyway, am i damned now?

 

[annrobert]

Caty,
remember that this speaking out was their strong opinion.
They even plotted against Jesus
They never came to Him for forgiveness.
If they had come to Him for forgiveness they would not have been cast out.
Anyone who does not want forgiveness never has it.
Anyone who wants forgiveness , wants Jesus, has forgiveness,
because Jesus will not cast them out.

The pharisees were not fighting against this,
it was their strong opinion


Caty, No
You are not damned
That was simply the price
thats all
nothing to do with the mark at all , in any way.

Caty,
please get some help
You deserve to enjoy life and love
not suffer
JESUS LOVES YOU CATY
and He will never stop loving you

love
annrobert

 

[Caty]

okay, i keep having these thoughts. and I know they are horrible and i hate being this way, im gonna try to read my Bible but just thinking about it makes me sick. I know you say it was their strong opinion, but the way Ive always heard it is that they knew the truth but they just said that to be saying it about Him, kinda they way my thoughts are if im mad. I just want all of this to be over, but im so scared of God and Jesus, that Im afraid to try to come, because of the horrible things I've thought.

 

[Caty]

Im getting back to being really depressed again, i just hope this sin cannot be committed in thought.

 

[Liftyourhands7]

okay, i keep having these thoughts. and I know they are horrible and i hate being this way, im gonna try to read my Bible but just thinking about it makes me sick. I know you say it was their strong opinion, but the way Ive always heard it is that they knew the truth but they just said that to be saying it about Him, kinda they way my thoughts are if im mad. I just want all of this to be over, but im so scared of God and Jesus, that Im afraid to try to come, because of the horrible things I've thought.

Dear Caty,

All that you are going through right now is your OCD, I promise you this, we with OCD know all of the signs and you have every one of them, I am 54 years old and have suffered with OCD since I was about 17 years old, at that time they did not know much about this disorder, so I prayed that the Lord would show me what was wrong with me and a few years ago He did, actually Jesus himself led me to this web site, a few years ago I was on this site as much as you are now seeking reassurance, I left this site after a while because I was doing so much better, this will happen to you too, I came back to the site a few weeks ago and had to re register so that is why my status is newbie, but believe me when I tell you I know the suffering that you are experiencing and the torture that you feel. Does your family know what you are going through? Have you told your mom what you are experencing, Annarobert had some very good advice, you need to get help, God wants you to get better, he is not mad at you, he loves you very much and he wants you to run to him not away from him, if you can't read your Bible right now its okay, you don't have to prove to God that you love him by reading his word right now if you just can't do it, he understands, we all here have felt this same way, God is sending help your way but you have to reach out and take it, I am going to speak for the Lord right now, I believe in my heart that it is ok for me to do this, You HAVE NOT committed the unpardonable sin, I told you before that I have studied this sin extensively and what God's word has to say about it, that particular sin that the Pharisees committed cannot be committed in the same way it was in that day, the only unpardonable sin that can be committed today is to totally reject Jesus Christ and what he did for you, and you have not done that, you said you received Christ as your Saviour your future is already secured, its a done deal, you are only a human and you CANNOT undo what God has already done you are His. YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN! Now that that is settled ( At least with God it is) you need to deal with your OCD it is what is bullying you around, I hope I don't sound to harsh because believe me I know exactly what you are going through and it breaks my heart to see you struggling like this, I want you to be well, but until you deal with the beast, OCD, things may only get worse, Please Caty get to a couselor who deals with OCD, you don't have to suffer like this, we are all praying for you. God knows your pain and will send the help you need. Blessings, Jan

 

[annrobert]

okay, i keep having these thoughts. and I know they are horrible and i hate being this way, im gonna try to read my Bible but just thinking about it makes me sick. I know you say it was their strong opinion, but the way Ive always heard it is that they knew the truth but they just said that to be saying it about Him, kinda they way my thoughts are if im mad. I just want all of this to be over, but im so scared of God and Jesus, that Im afraid to try to come, because of the horrible things I've thought.

Caty ,

If they knew Jesus was God their Saviour in the flesh, they would have come to Him for forgiveness.If they knew that Jesus was the only Name by which they could be saved , they would have come to Him.
If they knew that Jesus was the Way the Truth and the Life they would have come to Him.
They said we have one Father even God.They were self righteous.
If they knew Jesus was God their Saviour they would not have crucified Him.
If they knew God they would have wanted Him.
Jesus said verily verily I say unto you , he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.
they did not believe.

Jesus Himself said to them ye believe Me not.

When they spoke against Jesus it was their strong opinion.

The bible says they thought they were safe because they were Abrahams natural descendents.


33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
John 16
And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me


Caty it is okay to come to Jesus just as you are .You can come scared and wounded and weak or broken.He invites whosoever will.He understands our weaknesses and infirmites.He loves you and wants you just as you are Caty.You are very precious to Him.You have come to Him and none shall snatch you out of His hand and you shall never perish.You are safe Caty.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Mathew
28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jesus is a very merciful and compassionate Saviour.
He is a gentle King.Meek and lowly in heart.

Just come as you are Caty.He will never cast you out.

and please get help with this Caty.

lots of love and care
annrobert

 

[annrobert]

Caty I was scared of Jesus too, I know how painful that is.
But I did not have to be scared.
Jesus was not about to cast me out or let me be snatched out of His hand.
Rather He wanted to heal my broken heart and set me at liberty and give me rest.
He is our Good Shepherd ,who laid His life down for us.
He leads us to still waters and restores our souls.
This is our God.
Merciful and compassionate, tender
and lowly in heart and mighty to to save.
He washes us clean in His own blood.
He is our righteousness.

love
annrobert

 

[Caty]

i keep having these moments where i think a thought (or at least i think i do) and then i get afraid that i said it around people, so ill look around to see if people are maybe looking at me weird or anything and i freak out if i see someone acting like i might of said something or if they are looking at me. has anyone else done this?