Okay, since you think God can lie, tell me ... Can Satan commit righteous deeds?

[Questioning Christian]

I'm looking forward to your answers and justifications for THAT, also. Since you have no Scripture for "God can lie", perhaps you can rely on this same reasoning to explain how Satan can do holy and righteous things.

So ... can Satan commit righteous deeds?


And don't be posting anything you can't substantiate with Scripture.

 

[~RENEE~]

God is not a liar and Satan is not righteous.

And I will go on to say

Satan is the father of all lies

 

[Questioning Christian]

Satan is the father of all lies

So ... if Satan is the father of all lies [the creator and originator of them] ...
and if God therefore is NOT the creator/originator ...
and if God can lie ...
and if God therefore did not get this ability to lie from Himself ...


... then isn't Satan the Father of God?

 

[~RENEE~]

So ... if Satan is the father of all lies [the creator and originator of them] ...
and if God therefore is NOT the creator/originator ...
and if God can lie ...
and if God therefore did not get this ability to lie from Himself ...


... then isn't Satan the Father of God? Today 03:34 PM

But God cannot lie

 

[Alpine]

Of course Satan can do good things. Is he not a deceiver? How could he deceive if he did not come across as an angel of light? If he only came across as a troublemaker who would be deceived?

 

[DLMoody]

He may be able to do things we deem "good" but in light of God, no one can do righteousness apart from God (Rom 3). Since Satan is the enemy of God he can do no righteousness. Neither can any man apart from God.
(I say this with love. Everybody please remember. Whatever your view point or however passionate you are about it, make sure it doesn't develop into sinful passion. I'm not pointing fingers!)

 

[Just4Jesus]

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

agree

God can't lie

 

[probinson]

Of course Satan can do good things. Is he not a deceiver? How could he deceive if he did not come across as an angel of light? If he only came across as a troublemaker who would be deceived?

Ironically, you've answered your own question. DECEPTION. It is not truly a bonafide good thing. It only appears to be good, because Satan is the father of lies and the truth is not in him at all. Hence, if Satan tells you something is good, even if it looks that way, he's lying.

Consider Adam and Eve. So the serpent comes along and says, God's holding something back from you. Something good. What was good about the Tree of knowledge of good and evil? NOTHING.

 

[Svt4Him]

I'm not sure what you're asking. What is a righteous thing? Good? Ethical?

 

[Mattacious]

This is Jesus speaking to the unbelievers when they were testing him and didn't understand what he was talking about. One of Jesus' responses were relating to the nature of the devil:

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

John 8:44


It is general knowledge that part of being righteous is to walk in the truth therefore the devil can't be righteous because he cannot walk in the truth, there is no truth in him. Funny enough I only stumbled accross this truth today while I was reading John chapter 8 & I don't usually come here much, must have been God.

 

[JimB]

I thought WOF people believed that “with God all things are possible” (Matt. 19.26) and that "all" always means all. At least that’s what I’ve been told over and over again in this forum. Now suddenly, all no longer means all. Now, it is not possible for God to lie.

Personally, for the record, I believe God can do anything He wants to do.

~Jim

Wise sayings are not always remembered but a kind word is never forgotten.​

 

[JimB]

Can Satan do a righteous deed. I am not all that up on my satanology but since the devil can appear as an angel of light, I would suppose he can do (or at least appear to do) a righteous deed.

~Jim

Wise sayings are not always remembered but a kind word is never forgotten.​

 

[psalms 91]

Can Satan do a righteous deed. I am not all that up on my satanology but since the devil can appear as and angel of light, I would suppose he can do (or at least appear to do) a righteous deed.

~Jim

Wise sayings are not always remembered but a kind word is never forgotten.​

Appear to do would be the operative word since his motivation for doing such is to trick or destroy the church body or an individual. If sickness and disease comes from satan then he can take it off as well. Ask any satanist if this is possible (former) and they will tell you yes and also that once they accept Jesus they lose the healing and need to seek God for it.

 

[Questioning Christian]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh-K.

I've seen what I came to see, so I shall no longer be participating in this topic. My prediction [to myself] was absolutely CORRECT, basically, that since people on this forum like to ascribe works of evil to God, I figured that they would conversely, and in the same manner, ascribe works of goodness or righteousness to Satan.

And a couple of you have already done it. You confirmed my suspicion, thank you very much.

Just one more thing, though, before I hit the Submit Reply button ...

I'm not sure what you're asking. What is a righteous thing? Good? Ethical?

The question was this:

Can Satan commit righteous deeds?

That's not a hard question. It's not a trick. It's not a trap. There's no double entendre. Nobody's trying to make a point. You won't find Waldo in the question. There's no hidden agenda. You ain't gotta call Miss Cleo. You don't need Holmes OR Watson. You don't have to hold up the Purple Carbuncle into the Green Laser. You don't have to take the BLUE pill or the RED pill. No need to dust for fingerprints. There's not some secret Decoder Ring / Bible Code mystery to solve. It's not freakin Colonel Mustard in the kitchen with the lead pipe.

It's very plain ... very simple ... very straightforward ... very easy.

"Can Satan commit righteous deeds?"

The question is not multiple choice.
It's not fill-in-the-blank.
It's not an essay.
It's not matching.
It's not Short Answer.
It's not true / false.

It's COMPLETELY open-book, and it's COMPLETELY "yes, or no".

I hope I'm a little more clear now, because obviously the question WASN'T.

 

[probinson]

I thought WOF people believed that “with God all things are possible” (Matt. 19.26) and that "all" always means all. At least that’s what I’ve been told over and over again in this forum. Now suddenly, all no longer means all. Now, it is not possible for God to lie.

Personally, for the record, I believe God can do anything He wants to do.

Even though the Bible says it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to lie?

I'd like to make something abundantly clear. You are not challenging me, or WoF, or anyone else here. YOU ARE CHALLENGING THE BIBLE. (See the link below)

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again. These questions have bean soup to do with God making big heavy rocks or the definition of the word "all". Those things are nothing more than a diversion from the real question. This is a simple matter of whether or not you will accept and believe the plain, clear and unambiguous scripture, which I have graciously taken the time to provide here in 20 different translations, in which THE BIBLE says that it is impossible for God to lie, regardless of what your theology may say.

 

[JimB]

Appear to do would be the operative word since his motivation for doing such is to trick or destroy the church body or an individual. If sickness and disease comes from satan then he can take it off as well. Ask any satanist if this is possible (former) and they will tell you yes and also that once they accept Jesus they lose the healing and need to seek God for it.

I can agree somewhat with this, but I am not sure that all sickness and disease comes from Satan. Some of it is just the result of the Fall and the curse it brought on the earth. I would say that sickness is more of a byproduct of evil than the direct result of Satan. Satan himself is more of an embodiment of (if not a victim of, even a product of) evil than evil is the product of Satan. Evil, the medieval theologians believed, is merely the absence of good, just a hole is the absence of matter, or darkness is the absence of light, or cold is the absence of heat.

Where God fills all in all (Ephesians 1.23) there is goodness. Where God isn’t, evil is.

~Jim

Wise sayings are not always remembered but a kind word is never forgotten.​

 

[JimB]

Even though the Bible says it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to lie?

I'd like to make something abundantly clear. You are not challenging me, or WoF, or anyone else here. YOU ARE CHALLENGING THE BIBLE. (See the link below)

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again. These questions have bean soup to do with God making big heavy rocks or the definition of the word "all". Those things are nothing more than a diversion from the real question. This is a simple matter of whether or not you will accept and believe the plain, clear and unambiguous scripture, which I have graciously taken the time to provide here in 20 different translations, in which THE BIBLE says that it is impossible for God to lie, regardless of what your theology may say.

But, since you are apparently a greater champion of the Word than I am, you will need to explain to me if “all” means all in Matthew 19.26 ~ “With God all things are possible” ~ or does it now mean “almost all”?

~Jim

Wise sayings are not always remembered but a kind word is never forgotten.​

 

[Questioning Christian]

Pete, we found out what we need to know.

People want to believe that God does evil, and Satan does good. Their minds are made up; don't confuse them with the Scripture. So, now that we know where they stand, it explains a lot about what they believe. Let's just leave it at that instead of trying to argue with them.

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

1 John 3:7-10
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

According to verse 7 is the devil able to do righteousness?

The children of God cannot sin because we have the nature of God our Father who cannot sin.
The children of the devil cannot do good because they have the nature of their father who also cannot do good.