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The Bible tells us we should be modest; not only in the way we dress but in our conduct.

1 Timothy 2:9-10... “In like manner also that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array, but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works”


1 Peter 3:4
let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.


Would you say you are modest in appearance and in your behavior?
How is modesty important to you in your Christian walk?
In what ways would you say you exercise modesty?

It seems that modesty, among so many Christian women, is something that is becoming less and less important, possibly less valued.

What do you think?

I welcome the men's opinions on this too :)



Thanks and blessings.
 

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I'm modest in the sense that I don't dress too provocatively. My skirts are not too short, I don't wear short-shorts, my tops don't go down too far (I'd say that I don't show cleavage...but I don't HAVE cleavage, if you know what I mean). I also dress appropriate for occasions, which is a form of modesty...I don't try to "stand out". I keep my clothes neat and don't like looking like a slob. (I can't STAND the current trend of people walking around in pajama pants!)

I LOVE make-up, but keep that on the down-low. Make-up should enhance...not overpower. The best make-up looks like you're not wearing any.

I aim towards proper manners, don't like to yell, DON'T swear, and try to be honest and uplifting.

As you can tell by my oh-so-careful wording...I don't always succeed in the modest behavior part...but I give myself about 90%. :D

Don't get me wrong; I'm nobody's doormat. I will stand up for something I believe in, but I do so in a modest, respectful manner. How other people take it is up to them.
 
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I'm modest in the sense that I don't dress too provocatively. My skirts are not too short, I don't wear short-shorts, my tops don't go down too far (I'd say that I don't show cleavage...but I don't HAVE cleavage, if you know what I mean). I also dress appropriate for occasions, which is a form of modesty...I don't try to "stand out". I keep my clothes neat and don't like looking like a slob. (I can't STAND the current trend of people walking around in pajama pants!)

I LOVE make-up, but keep that on the down-low. Make-up should enhance...not overpower. The best make-up looks like you're not wearing any.

I aim towards proper manners, don't like to yell, DON'T swear, and try to be honest and uplifting.

As you can tell by my oh-so-careful wording...I don't always succeed in the modest behavior part...but I give myself about 90%. :D

Don't get me wrong; I'm nobody's doormat. I will stand up for something I believe in, but I do so in a modest, respectful manner. How other people take it is up to them.

I like what you've said.
Thank you.
About the cleavage, don't sell yourself short :). Some of my tops were a little low and my husband pointed it out to me. MY reasoning was that I don't have huge breasts.:confused: I really thought I was ok because of that! My husband said that size is only a part of it. It's the tease of what is slightly hidden, whether we're big or smaller...so I'm more careful about that.
Same with me and the makeup. I love to look refreshed and awake so I wear it.^_^ I wear it in a way that looks very natural.

Oh, and as far as your 'oh-so-careful wording'....it can be hard to get your point across sometimes when online. I notice sometimes when I reread my own posts that I may have sounded a little off. It wasn't what I intended. I AM speaking nicely in my heart as I write.:)
Thanks again.
 
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The Bible tells us we should be modest; not only in the way we dress but in our conduct.

1 Timothy 2:9-10... “In like manner also that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array, but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works”


1 Peter 3:4
let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.


Would you say you are modest in appearance and in your behavior?
How is modesty important to you in your Christian walk?
In what ways would you say you exercise modesty?

It seems that modesty, among so many Christian women, is something that is becoming less and less important, possibly less valued.

What do you think?

I welcome the men's opinions on this too :)



Thanks and blessings.

I think its best to free the woman completely to do as she she fit. If she wants to be modest - feels called to be - let such be - but please don't let that hinder some else so proud of what our Heavenly Father gave them to show of, as long as it doesn't lead to sin of course - but that warning is just as true for those who dress modest. Personally I always think seeing Good Creation also brings our Heavenly Father lots of praises.

However please take this more serious!

Spiritually The Lord wants complete adherence to His LOVING WORD - Jesus Christ - alive within each believer in Spirit.

Spiritual modesty has to do with what we wear on our spiritual bodies. This is more important I've seen, then religious adherence - The Jews never got anywhere with that either - and missed Christ at The end of it. For they killed The Son of God - dressed in fine linen and purple cloth - so to speak!

I often struggle to stay in my only white gown - I'm so used to multi-coloured and whatever else is around.

This is much more of a problem I think when it comes to spiritual modesty. Christian Blamelessly Loving, honesty, fair, just, controlled, gentle and caring to be - this is what puts our white gowns on - nothing else can match that in God's eyes - Yet our Heavenly Father is so very keen to speak to us - His lost kids at Home once more. (last lines in O.T. coming true!) and us seated at the His Table!

Just my two bob worth.:)
 
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I think women should dress modestly. "Showing off what God gave you" is immodesty. It encourages sinful thinking in others. If I dress immodestly, showing off my chest or butt or whatever, and some guy makes a remark, I have invited that.

Spiritual modesty is a concept I have to study. I never thought of it that way. But even though it may be more important than outer modesty, that doesn't negate the necessity of modesty in dress and decorum.
 
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I think its best to free the woman completely to do as she she fit. If she wants to be modest - feels called to be - let such be - but please don't let that hinder some else so proud of what our Heavenly Father gave them to show of, as long as it doesn't lead to sin of course
But is 'showing off' being humble as The Bible tells us we should be? Is accentuating your body because it's what a woman see's fit, being modest, according to the Bible?

- but that warning is just as true for those who dress modest. Personally I always think seeing Good Creation also brings our Heavenly Father lots of praises.
I'm glad you said that. I think of how the Bible tells us to not conform to this world and to set ourselves apart from it.

However please take this more serious!

Spiritually The Lord wants complete adherence to His LOVING WORD - Jesus Christ - alive within each believer in Spirit.

Spiritual modesty has to do with what we wear on our spiritual bodies. This is more important I've seen, then religious adherence - The Jews never got anywhere with that either - and missed Christ at The end of it. For they killed The Son of God - dressed in fine linen and purple cloth - so to speak!

I often struggle to stay in my only white gown - I'm so used to multi-coloured and whatever else is around.

True, but this doesn't justify neglecting to put effort into physical modesty.

This is much more of a problem I think when it comes to spiritual modesty. Christian Blamelessly Loving, honesty, fair, just, controlled, gentle and caring to be - this is what puts our white gowns on - nothing else can match that in God's eyes - Yet our Heavenly Father is so very keen to speak to us - His lost kids at Home once more. (last lines in O.T. coming true!) and us seated at the His Table!

Just my two bob worth.:)

Thanks so much....blessings
 
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I think women should dress modestly. "Showing off what God gave you" is immodesty. It encourages sinful thinking in others. If I dress immodestly, showing off my chest or butt or whatever, and some guy makes a remark, I have invited that.

Spiritual modesty is a concept I have to study. I never thought of it that way. But even though it may be more important than outer modesty, that doesn't negate the necessity of modesty in dress and decorum.

Thanks so much. This is just how I feel.
 
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Male perspective here, and not wanting to get TMI -

Not to detract from Singermom's excellent response, this is something SO many refuse to see!

I think women should dress modestly. "Showing off what God gave you" is immodesty. It encourages sinful thinking in others.

Spiritual modesty is a concept I have to study. I never thought of it that way. But even though it may be more important than outer modesty, that doesn't negate the necessity of modesty in dress and decorum.

:thumbsup: In a different sub-forum on CF this discussion came up, and almost ALL of the women refused to see any of this, instead only being concerned with "asserting their rights." :doh:

Can we re-phrase that as desiring worship? Is that too strong? It really comes down to Love. Are you willing to Love your Brothers, (and in this day and age we really should include Sisters here too, yes on the subject of women dressing modestly) even those who may be weak in the Faith, or completely blinded to the Lord due to the desires of his (or her) own flesh? I mean if you really want to catch someone's eye, silent eye contact still works wonders. Even in the proverbial burlap bag ^_^

This really is something younger women need to learn from older women.

And yet again, Jeshu brings up a point that is SO right-on that I've ALWAYS MISSED! Not much study on that needed:

Rev 3:18 "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof]. :bow:
 
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Male perspective here, and not wanting to get TMI - LOL

Not to detract from Singermom's excellent response, this is something SO many refuse to see!



:thumbsup: In a different sub-forum on CF this discussion came up, and almost ALL of the women refused to see any of this, instead only being concerned with "asserting their rights." :doh:

Yes, I see this attitude so much and it is drowning out the understanding and practice of modesty

Can we re-phrase that as desiring worship?
You mean wanting to be seen for your body? IF that is what you mean, then yes. When we show too much flesh, wear tight clothes to accentuate our body parts and let stuff hang out, there is a reason....it's wanting attention on your body. And women know what men like and are attracted to. It is a purposeful action with known results.

Is that too strong? It really comes down to Love. Are you willing to Love your Brothers, (and in this day and age we really should include Sisters here too, yes on the subject of women dressing modestly) even those who may be weak in the Faith, or completely blinded to the Lord due to the desires of his (or her) own flesh? I mean if you really want to catch someone's eye, silent eye contact still works wonders. Even in the proverbial burlap bag ^_^

This really is something younger women need to learn from older women.

Yes.
I hope to see examples of all ages though, as well.


And yet again, Jeshu brings up a point that is SO right-on that I've ALWAYS MISSED! Not much study on that needed:

Rev 3:18 "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof]. :bow:

Yes, 2 EXCELLENT scriptures, Jeshu

Thank you very much :)
 
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I think its best to free the woman completely to do as she she fit. If she wants to be modest - feels called to be - let such be - but please don't let that hinder some else so proud of what our Heavenly Father gave them to show of, as long as it doesn't lead to sin of course - but that warning is just as true for those who dress modest. Personally I always think seeing Good Creation also brings our Heavenly Father lots of praises.

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As good Christians, we are suppose to be of pure word, action, and thought. I don't know how many people forget the of pure thought thing but let me make a blatant statement.

Most men are pigs.

It's okay not to agree with that, but it's pretty much true at some level. Even the most pious of guys may have a few piggish thoughts now and then. So lets ignore all the scripture about modesty for a second. (Don't worry, it's just for a second)

It is a sin to do something that causes someone else to sin.

Therefor if you do not keep modest, a guy looking where he shouldn't, may (okay, almost always for the majority of men) have unclean, and therefore sinful, thoughts. Which would make dressing in such a way to cause that also a sin.

No, I'm not going to advocate people going around in Nun's habits (sp?) I'm just making a technical point. Take it how you will.
 
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I wrote - Can we re-phrase that as desiring worship?

Our OP responded:

"You mean wanting to be seen for your body? IF that is what you mean, then yes. When we show too much flesh, wear tight clothes there is a reason....it's wanting attention on your body. And women know what men like and are attracted to. It is a purposeful action with known results."

That would be - good preaching! As in, if you can't say amen say ouch. Preach on, Sister! Not only is Christ and His Bride a great mystery, so is the extent of damage caused by sexual sin. There is a spiritual component to it, the word references a point where it becomes idolatrous, and apparently only the word is sharp enough to differentiate between these finer points ...
 
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As good Christians, we are suppose to be of pure word, action, and thought.
Yes, very true

I don't know how many people forget the of pure thought thing but let me make a blatant statement.

Most men are pigs.

Hmmm...well, I wouldn't say they're pigs but if you are basing this on the fact that so many men, even Christians, have wandering eyes, lust problems, etc, then I understand your meaning.

It's okay not to agree with that, but it's pretty much true at some level. Even the most pious of guys may have a few piggish thoughts now and then. So lets ignore all the scripture about modesty for a second. (Don't worry, it's just for a second)

It is a sin to do something that causes someone else to sin.

Yes, it is....we can't always prevent it but we can refuse to take part in it and one way is to dress modestly, right?

Therefor if you do not keep modest, a guy looking where he shouldn't, may (okay, almost always for the majority of men) have unclean, and therefore sinful, thoughts. Which would make dressing in such a way to cause that also a sin.

Yes, I agree

No, I'm not going to advocate people going around in Nun's habits (sp?) I'm just making a technical point. Take it how you will.
Thanks and blessings :)
 
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I wrote - Can we re-phrase that as desiring worship?

Our OP responded:

"You mean wanting to be seen for your body? IF that is what you mean, then yes. When we show too much flesh, wear tight clothes there is a reason....it's wanting attention on your body. And women know what men like and are attracted to. It is a purposeful action with known results."

That would be - good preaching! As in, if you can't say amen say ouch. Preach on, Sister! Not only is Christ and His Bride a great mystery, so is the extent of damage caused by sexual sin. There is a spiritual component to it, the word references a point where it becomes idolatrous, and apparently only the word is sharp enough to differentiate between these finer points ...


I might have misunderstood what you originally meant but we made sense of each other, didn't we? Thank you very much.
 
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I really think this goes for both men and women.

Men should also not be showing off their bodies to lead women astray anymore then a woman should.

I personally have a hard time not looking at a good looking woman dressed in less then modest clothes. It is a big struggle and is one that most men have as a daily battle. But I know that there are also women with the same battle, so as a man I also try not to wear to tight of shirts or pants knowing it could lead someone to sin.

I am happy to see others who understand that we should do our best as christians not to cause others to sin.:clap::clap::amen:
 
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I really think this goes for both men and women.

Men should also not be showing off their bodies to lead women astray anymore then a woman should.

I personally have a hard time not looking at a good looking woman dressed in less then modest clothes. It is a big struggle and is one that most men have as a daily battle. But I know that there are also women with the same battle, so as a man I also try not to wear to tight of shirts or pants knowing it could lead someone to sin.

I am happy to see others who understand that we should do our best as christians not to cause others to sin.:clap::clap::amen:

I'm glad you mentioned about the men. What really gets me is the men who talk God and scripture on Youtube wearing a sleeveless tee or is shirtless. It's not a struggle for me but I wonder "WHY" they do it?

Thanks too for the admission about women in less than modest clothes. Another man here in another thread told me there is not a man, even Christian, who is not attracted to a young, shapely body.

Tell me though, why is it so hard for a man to refrain from looking?


Thanks so much for your response
 
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Another man here in another thread told me there is not a man, even Christian, who is not attracted to a young, shapely body.

Let's remove young as a qualifier.

Tell me though, why is it so hard for a man to refrain from looking?[/B][/COLOR]

Why does the sun rise in the East? It's not going to change. Avoiding lust is a separate issue, and it's wonderful to see someone willing to be part of the solution! Thank you and G-d Bless
 
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Let's remove young as a qualifier.



Why does the sun rise in the East? It's not going to change. Avoiding lust is a separate issue, and it's wonderful to see someone willing to be part of the solution! Thank you and G-d Bless


Well, thank you :)
 
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It has so interesting to see what people think about this issue.

I think that outwards appearance is the biggest problem ever! Even today for we keep looking on the outside and conceal the inside doing that. I feel it is here we should focus - not otherwise!

A few things if we eat His Flesh - doesn't this mean our righteousness is complete - so what are we trying to add?

Demand for purity?

Psalm 1 hits the nail!

Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night.


Should we adhere social , moral or ethical, or any kind of written rule - before or after or anywhere else in our worship of Him?

Remember White Clothing - is righteous acts!(Rev 19) not conformity to the letter is it? (Romans)

Should we still be paying for Good? Belittle The Gracious Grace of our Lord? and rejecting Christ's sacrifice for us ALL - still heeding must and, shall, ought, will, do, don't, go, stay, no, maybe - what more can I say?

What unbelievable misery has this thinking caused - see Sodom and Gomorrah the place our Lord was crucified?

For Jesus ate and drank with sinners - and they called him a glutton and a drunkard - murdering Him for loving God's kids.

For is that not what we do when we deny someone else the FREEDOM to be as THEY see fit - but we ourself want the FREEDOM to demand that from them and ourself as well - thinking we are righteous - denying them their God-given life - doing that - for we arrogantly think we know the Law of God. Yet truly un-righeousness in the righteous is the worst of blasphemy!

Beloved I found myself to be naked when I did that - and God did not set me free from my sin but rather judged me with my own judgement - as He promised He wouldn't if we continue to despise His grace over ALL of us - John 3:16, Rom 2)

For God The Father says to His unfaithful people,

Hos 6:6

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.


What is more Jesus was really cheesed of about all these laws and regulations as well - He understood Satan's scheming very well. The Jewish leaders had more than 600 hundred rules and regulations at the time - sadly we are very much worse than that even when it comes to religious demands on new converts, for example.

Where 'sinners murder' is demanded before acceptance will be handed out! The big strong I must do the job for Jesus - and Jesus? Oh those bloody piercings don't you reckon friend? :blush::blush::blush: (I wonder what they call that most bloody of idols again - his name slipped my mind Molech or something?)

This is how the Devil creates righteous looking people - who in reality are full of corruption within constantly judging themselves and their neighbour - thinking they are good and those not like them are not!

And so Satan has the majority of humanity tightly in his grip - as it is right now -- heaps of bad, poor, no good, ugly, wrong people, sinful people - labels to nail sinners galore - those who can't measure up to the rules of the righteous.
- fear of exposing eyes - everyone looking at their neighbours - betrayals everywhere - whitewashed graves galore.
And so that ugly snake can make bad life rule - creates Gossip - and so lost sinners hate 'good' and reject God.

Pretty good well designed net - that Fowlers net (psalm 91) - don't you think? - Both the righteous and the unrighteous! as it says in the word - we who love The Father and all His (lost)children - like Jesus does - may not partake in such thinking at all!



But our Lord Jesus hated all this guys!

Matt 9 :13


But go and learn what this means:
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Paul understood things far better than Jewish and Christian tradition achieved that's for sure - though no religion I know of - has understood much of God's truth. Still The Word has explained everything perfectly.

I can't wait till we serve Him true that's for sure

for...Paul says

Col 2:6-23

So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

(now lets explore from the above position...)


See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.


For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.



There is nothing left at all that's of us - all is Him in us - so we must stay in His truth - and want this for our neighbour as well for otherwise we break His love command instantly.

As Paul says...

In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ,



because Jesus has done it - it is not ours to do! That's not what God wants from us.

He wants us FREE! So we can do as we like - for we are in His TRUTHFUL LOVING WORD ALIVE!

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.


(Indeed!)


Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

These are a shadow of the things that were to come;
the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.


This is the issue beloved. If we truly want to please God, then we must follow Jesus in our hearts - do as His loving truth in us says, not our sinful and worldly fleshly ways.

(For example I feel a need for a drink, I'm thirsty like anything!

Look right before me a couple of aborigines sitting beside the road, stoned of their faces by the looks of it, defiantly drinking in the middle of town - they greet me loudly but friendly.

Hey mate you want a drink - as they offer me a half full bottle of coke - they themselves had been drinking from. A toothless grin from the old ladies flashes my way - as they await me reply.

I see other people looking at me and laughing. I see the cars flashing by - all looking. I see dirty, poor, black people, possibly full of flees - I can easily what sinners these people are. A police see you standing there and slows down a police officer asks me if these people are bothering

I tell them no that it was okay - the police begin to hassle the blacks to move on and get away from there - I quickly turn around and walk away.

Luckily I see on the other side of the street - only about 100 meters away or so - a shop which sells cool drink - I see and hear that massive neon light clearly - 7 up - I see - and a big fat 6 painted beside the front door told me the street number of the place. Thank God for credit cards I thought as I paid.)

It is this that the Bible hates!

For...

Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules:

"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"?



These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

(Here comes the point we want to understand....)

Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.



So that is what the Word teaches. Just read the next Chapter and you will see what Delights Jesus - Chapter 3 - all the way to the end though!!!


Let's go back to the Word once more and see if we can re-enforce this understanding.

James 2:1-13


My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?


See the problem? Good clothing, being neat and tidy, working hard and being diligent, honesty and integrity sacrificed when we think like this - Satan has robbed it all - just look around you!


So please lets take heed...

Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?


But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you?


all those must and dos ruling us are not from God at all! They are made up by The Wicked to get control over us - Just think of The Jews in Jesus' day. as

And James points out...

Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?


If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.


But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.


So we best get away from all such thinking altogether now!

Rather let us,

Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,


because otherwise.. if we keep judging our neighbours for not doing it right then this will certainly happen...


because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful.


Yet in Christ's freedom we give each other mercy - for we know we need it our self.

And?



Mercy triumphs over judgment!


Please think deeply about all this beloved. Christianity has stuffed it up badly demanding all these sacrifices while our Heavenly Father wants to give mercy - conform rules disallow that.



Much love your way pondering on this:hug:

 
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As good Christians, we are suppose to be of pure word, action, and thought. I don't know how many people forget the of pure thought thing but let me make a blatant statement.

Most men are pigs.

It's okay not to agree with that, but it's pretty much true at some level. Even the most pious of guys may have a few piggish thoughts now and then. So lets ignore all the scripture about modesty for a second. (Don't worry, it's just for a second)

It is a sin to do something that causes someone else to sin.

Therefor if you do not keep modest, a guy looking where he shouldn't, may (okay, almost always for the majority of men) have unclean, and therefore sinful, thoughts. Which would make dressing in such a way to cause that also a sin.

No, I'm not going to advocate people going around in Nun's habits (sp?) I'm just making a technical point. Take it how you will.

Most men are pigs? Hmmmm.

Most men have "piggish" thoughts. That's called being human. I live in a very poor neighborhood. A good portion of men in this area do not work in the legal sense. They sit around outside in the afternoon, hooting and hollering at women when they walk by. But they treat me with respect. It's "Yes, ma'am. No, ma'am." Why? Because I make it a point not to dress immodestly, not to flirt, not to say suggestive things, and not to respond to suggestive remarks made to or around me. They learned pretty quickly, too, that I give the same respect that I want from them - and I gave that respect to them first. I treat them as gentlemen, and they respond in kind. Now, if I put on some short shorts, a skin-tight tank top, and walked by, I would receive exactly what my body language and dress is asking for - stupidity and lust.

Yes, there are some who are still piggish. But the others correct them quickly. The trick is respect. If a woman, no matter how young or pretty, dresses and leaves little to the imagination, she will not be respected, no matter who she is or what she is like.

Like it or not, appearance does matter.
 
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Most men are pigs? Hmmmm.

Most men have "piggish" thoughts. That's called being human. I live in a very poor neighborhood. A good portion of men in this area do not work in the legal sense. They sit around outside in the afternoon, hooting and hollering at women when they walk by. But they treat me with respect. It's "Yes, ma'am. No, ma'am." Why? Because I make it a point not to dress immodestly, not to flirt, not to say suggestive things, and not to respond to suggestive remarks made to or around me. They learned pretty quickly, too, that I give the same respect that I want from them - and I gave that respect to them first. I treat them as gentlemen, and they respond in kind. Now, if I put on some short shorts, a skin-tight tank top, and walked by, I would receive exactly what my body language and dress is asking for - stupidity and lust.

Yes, there are some who are still piggish. But the others correct them quickly. The trick is respect. If a woman, no matter how young or pretty, dresses and leaves little to the imagination, she will not be respected, no matter who she is or what she is like.

Like it or not, appearance does matter.


Absolutely true what you say!

And I love the honesty and bravery to be real.

But now you are stuck in sin and you love it so that they look at you - would you put yourself in prison here?

or perhaps chaining will help?

if that doesn't work we could still kill?


This would a problem or not when we consider that GRACE is freely given by our Father - so we must do as well.

Not trying to take anything away from your victory in Christ - that's absolutely wonderful! For honesty breeds good things!

You already know that Christ works for Good - the men respect you - though not those others girls stuck in sin - so wouldn't it be a Christian thing to do - helping those guys (and girls)with that as well?

I'm just thinking out aloud really

as our Lord said!

Matt 9 :13

But go and learn what this means:
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."


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