Okay I have just had an interesting but maybe fallible thought.

Tamara224 · Jan 24, 2008

SoAmazinglyBlessed said:
Slavery is bad according to societal ethics, though. Homosexuality is only bad according to Christian ethics. So, yes, your previous post was condemning non-Christian homosexuals. I mean, would you not think that it was condemning if a Muslim told you that you were acting immorally by not wearing a head covering?

No. I wouldn't feel condemned if a Muslim told me that. Why, you may ask? Well, because I am convinced that Jesus is the Way, and Mohammed isn't. So a Muslim can say to me whatever he wants to, it doesn't affect me.

There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

I realize that you're feeling really defensive right now, Hannah. But, IMO, you would be doing yourself a favor to reread that part about slavery.

What I'm telling you is that you are a slave. But you can be free.

Luther073082 · Jan 24, 2008

SoAmazinglyBlessed said:
You know what? I need some time to cool down. I am all riled up right now and I do not want to end up saying anything that I regret. So I'm going to take a break from this thread until later tonight (since I have a Young Adults group to go to at church this evening, so I'll be away from my computer then).

Talk to you all later.

A wise decision hon.

Enjoy your time of fellowship and worship.

And don't worry if all of this is hard to take in at first. It was hard for me.

HopeFaithLove4u · Jan 24, 2008

Luther073082 said:
A wise decision hon.

Enjoy your time of fellowship and worship.

And don't worry if all of this is hard to take in at first. It was hard for me.

Opinions, opinions, opinions.

Christian Soldier · Jan 24, 2008

SoAmazinglyBlessed said:
Actually, I am saved. Just because I slip-up and use sinful language doesn't mean that I'm unsaved. Or do you think that all people who outwardly sin are unsaved?

And I'm just laughing because you seem to think that homosexuality is somehow a worse sin than any other sin out there, which it isn't. Seriously, stop trying to make yourself seem like Jesus Himself and just admit that you're just as much of a sinner as I am.

In the Old Testament, God himself declares homosexual acts to be an "absolute abomination". This may very well be the ONLY sin in the entire Bible that he refers to in these terms.

So God himself has clearly stated that committing homosexual acts is one of the VERY WORST sins.

Since I don't perform homosexual acts, and haven't committed any other of the most serious sins such as murder etc.---I am clearly NOT "just as much a sinner" as you.

The New Testament clearly states that unrepentant, practicing homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. Which means they will NOT be going to Heaven.

That's not my opinion. It's CLEARLY STATED in the Bible. Laugh all you wish, I'm only the messenger. But you won't be laughing after your judgement day.

Tinkerbell33 · Jan 24, 2008

actually all sin is the same, no sin is worse than another.

RavenRift · Jan 26, 2008

Thread has been moved to debates on Homosexuality from singles per this report.

OllieFranz · Jan 26, 2008

Christian Soldier said:
In the Old Testament, God himself declares homosexual acts to be an "absolute abomination". This may very well be the ONLY sin in the entire Bible that he refers to in these terms.

So God himself has clearly stated that committing homosexual acts is one of the VERY WORST sins.

The Hebrew word in both Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13 which is translated "abomination" (or apparently "absolute abomination" in the translation you prefer) is toevah. In the Hebrew there is no qualifier. The "absolute" was added by the translator. There are several other specific acts which are labelled toevah in the Law of Moses:

* Sharing a meal with Israelites is toevah to Egyptians (Gen 42:32)
* Daily association with foreign shepherds is toevah to the Egyptians (Gen 46:34)
* Hebrew sacrificial practices are toevah to the Egyptians (Exo 8:26)
* Lying with men (Lev 18:22 and 20:13)
* Foreign idols and the gold and silver that adorn them (Deut 7:25-26*, 27:15)
* Child sacrifice and/or sacrifice to foreign gods (Deut 12:31, 13:12-17)
* The eating of unclean animals (Deut 14:3)
* Sacrificing diseased animals to the LORD (Deut 17:1)
* Certain (religious) practices of the Canaanites (Deut 18:9-12, 20:18, 32:16)
* Cross-dressing (Deut 22:5)
* Tithing with money earned in the (sexual) worship of foreign gods (Deut 23:18)
* Re-marrying a woman whom you divorced for sexual indecency (adultery?) and who was later married to someone else (and is now divorced again, or widowed) (Deut 24:1-4)

Since I don't perform homosexual acts, and haven't committed any other of the most serious sins such as murder etc.---I am clearly NOT "just as much a sinner" as you.

[bible]Romans 2:1-3[/bible]
[bible]James 2:10[/bible]
[bible]Matthew 7:1-5[/bible]

The New Testament clearly states that unrepentant, practicing homosexuals will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. Which means they will NOT be going to Heaven.

That's not my opinion. It's CLEARLY STATED in the Bible. Laugh all you wish, I'm only the messenger. But you won't be laughing after your judgement day.

I'll leave it for others to fully comment on just how "CLEARLY STATED" that interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 really is. I'll just point out that there is the matter of Paul's point in the passage from which that prooftext was lifted, and the matter of the word that Paul made up, because the existing words for homosexual acts and those who engage in them did not apply to the sin he was describing.

Brieuse · Jan 26, 2008

BeckyH said:
Well, not everyone is meant to produce, just look at nuns.

And I am not necessarily saying it is right, I am just pondering.

I love it, nice comment!

savedandhappy1 · Jan 26, 2008

SoAmazinglyBlessed said:
So, then, can I assume that you have a problem with alcoholics, depressed people, people with eating disorders, and obese people, too, then? Or do you just ignore the fact that those people are "choosing a life in rebellion to God's word" just as much as gay people are?

And the reason we should be debating all sins in a forum set aside to debate homosexuality is????????

Can I ask why it seems that people don't believe that those who believe homosexuality is a sin can also believe that adultry, lying, stealing, murder, etc. are sins also?

Blank123 · Jan 26, 2008

savedandhappy1 said:
And the reason we should be debating all sins in a forum set aside to debate homosexuality is????????

Can I ask why it seems that people don't believe that those who believe homosexuality is a sin can also believe that adultry, lying, stealing, murder, etc. are sins also?

umm.. this started out in the singles forum not here

savedandhappy1 · Jan 26, 2008

Masked_Chris said:
The ten commandments are the major laws, but than there are other sublaws and homosexaulity is mentioned as a sublaw and quite a few times if I remember correctly. And yes.... in the NT Paul mentions it quite a few times to.

HOWEVER despite popular beleif the bible DOESN'T list it as a major sin and PAul lists it in the same list as disrespecting your parents. I don't think the issue is as extreme as Christains make it. the bible preaches against it but it isn't super important. Heck even sex itself is not mentioned as much as our protestant freinds seem to mention it.

It's not super important even though it is listed with the sins that will keep someone from inheriting the kingdom of God?

Sin separates us from God, so me be thinking it is important.

RavenRift · Jan 26, 2008

PLEASE NOTE THE MOD HAT ABOVE... all posts before it were in the SINGLES FORUM.

savedandhappy1 · Jan 26, 2008

little_tigress said:
umm.. this started out in the singles forum not here

I just found this out...........Sorry.

Brieuse · Jan 26, 2008

savedandhappy1 said:
And the reason we should be debating all sins in a forum set aside to debate homosexuality is????????

Can I ask why it seems that people don't believe that those who believe homosexuality is a sin can also believe that adultry, lying, stealing, murder, etc. are sins also?

Well, the ones you list are in the ten commandments

Brieuse · Jan 26, 2008

OllieFranz said:
The "absolute" was added by the translator.

How much longer can the fundies continue to ignore the FACT that the Word of God has been altered by man?

savedandhappy1 · Jan 26, 2008

Brieuse said:
Well, the ones you list are in the ten commandments

I'm sorry I don't understand you answer as it realates to my question?

Could you please explain or maybe read my question again, thanks?

Christian Soldier · Jan 30, 2008

BeckyH said:
actually all sin is the same, no sin is worse than another.

So a child stealing a piece of bubblegum is just as evil as the Nazi Holocaust?

KarrieTex · Jan 30, 2008

In God's eyes...yes. He is very clear that there is no sin above the other save for one. Sexual immorality, lying, stealing, murder are all the same in His eyes.

Christian Soldier · Jan 30, 2008

KarrieTex said:
In God's eyes...yes. He is very clear that there is no sin above the other save for one. Sexual immorality, lying, stealing, murder are all the same in His eyes.

^Hogwash.

God refers to homosexuality as an "absolute abomination". He doesn't refer to petty theft and many other sins as "absolute abomination".

He proclaims that practitioners of homosexuality shall "surely die", while making no such proclamations for petty thievery.

Christian Soldier · Jan 30, 2008

KarrieTex said:
Sexual immorality, lying, stealing, murder are all the same in His eyes.

He considers them all sins, but that doesn't mean they carry equal weight in his eyes. Just like murder and jaywalking are both crimes against civil law, but not of equal gravity.

In Genesis 9:6, God proclaims that all who murder should be put to death themselves. However, He doesn't proclaim that serious of punishment for such things as lying and petty thievery.

Many crimes against property in the Bible were settled by simple restitution and prayers for forgiveness. God didn't demand the guilty party's life for these relatively minor offenses.

Common sense tells me that He would've demanded the death penalty for ALL sins/crimes, if He indeed considered them all to be of equal gravity.

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