Ok soo.

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

no you weren't. in the first statement you don't even describe evolution. you are just presenting your own fake version of evolution. you can say evolution is rubbish if you like, but find something in evolution that you think is rubbish, rather than making up a false version of it, and then calling that rubbish. this is the essence of a strawman argument, and my issue with you still holds:

if you believe that your first statement is a description of evolution, then you obviously know nothing about it, and hence your second statement is a lie, because anyone who has studied evolution would not claim what you did.

Arikay · Jul 18, 2003

Why wont you answer Jets question?

Where did everything come from,
http://www.christianforums.com/t43923
A thread by Lucaspa about 5 different "first causes" one of them is god.

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

Arikay said:
Why wont you answer Jets question?

he can't, because that would demonstrate that he is a liar. of course he can't admit he doesn't because that would make him a liar as well.

hmm... rock and a hard place.

allout2k3 · Jul 18, 2003

Jet Black said:
no you weren't. in the first statement you don't even describe evolution. you are just presenting your own fake version of evolution. you can say evolution is rubbish if you like, but find something in evolution that you think is rubbish, rather than making up a false version of it, and then calling that rubbish. this is the essence of a strawman argument, and my issue with you still holds:

if you believe that your first statement is a description of evolution, then you obviously know nothing about it, and hence your second statement is a lie, because anyone who has studied evolution would not claim what you did.

I cant help it if you take it in that way, my intentions where as i said before in my upper posts.

ObbiQuiet · Jul 18, 2003

my beautifully long post and everyone is ignoring it... *cries*

allout2k3 · Jul 18, 2003

"Where did everything come from"

Its easy, GOD. And thats what i believe.. I'm tired. I must get some sleep now.. And I will Pray and believe that GOD works in your guys life's... You cant just pray you have to believe of what you pray..

GOD BLESS

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

allout2k3 said:
I cant help it if you take it in that way, my intentions where as i said before in my upper posts.

were you intentionally decieving in order to get your message across then?

and can you give us a good scientific description of evolution?

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

ObbiQuiet said:
my beautifully long post and everyone is ignoring it... *cries*

It was a lovely post here, have 10 blessings.

ObbiQuiet · Jul 18, 2003

What's the blessing thing about?

Arikay · Jul 18, 2003

Allout: If you know so much about evolution, you should be able to answer Jets question. By not answering it you are showing us that you dont really know (its an easy question).

Obbi: Welcome to the wonderfull world of dealing with a creationist.
Then again, he seems more like a troll than anything else.

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

ObbiQuiet said:
What's the blessing thing about?

every time you post, you get a blessing, and having a number of blessings lets you do stuff... it is in the announcements.

ObbiQuiet · Jul 18, 2003

Obbi: Welcome to the wonderfull world of dealing with a creationist.

lol.

Well, I have delt with them before, but only recently have I taken up a "recreational" position with them.

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

heh, and as standard, he runs away without answering the questions. how predictable.

ObbiQuiet · Jul 18, 2003

yeah... another thing I find is that someone starts a thread, you refute what they have to say... later on in the thread they jump back in without ever refuting what you said, and just continuing on like nothing happened... :/

Jet Black · Jul 18, 2003

yeap... or often the following:

they make point (strawman)
you refute it.
they make similar point (slightly less obvious strawman)
you refute it
they make another point (still a strawman)
you refute it
ad infinitum.

Bemuse · Jul 18, 2003

allout2k3 said:
So ya think everything just formed on its own? It jsut came about.. The world/earth had everything we needed as humans to exsist.. That everything fit into place so perfect.

It's called evolution. The world is far from "perfect". You are looking at it with the mind set that everything around you came into existence just for you. If you look at it from the point of view that everything we know evolved together, it would explain why everything seems to fit into place so perfectly.

It is the selfish human way. We feel like we are "it" and nothing else we know compares to us, so there must be a reason why we are "it". If we didn't exist something else would take our place even though they might not have the reasoning skills to come to the conclusion that everything around "it" was there to satisfy "it's" needs. Things existed on this planet long before humans ever did. God was created by humans to help satisfy the need that we have for purpose.

Siliconaut · Jul 18, 2003

I wonder if trolls go to heaven. I really do. :/

Lanakila · Jul 18, 2003

*Mod Hat On* The atheists are right, this is a Science Forum question, so I am moving it there. *Mod Hat Off*

Arikay · Jul 18, 2003

Wahoo, the atheists were right.

The atheists were right, Wahoo.

troodon · Jul 18, 2003

Hey, allout2k3, I'm not sure if you noticed but you made no attempt to refute punctuated equilibrium. You refuted gradualism (not too difficult a task) but completely avoided punctuated equilibrium. Did you forget to address it? Just curious

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