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Official Adventist Teachings On "The Remnant."

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I thought it would be useful to start a topic with a specific purpose of sharing the official teachings, and our leaderships views, on "the remnant of Bible prophecy."

Lately; I have seen quite a few things on the internet saying what we "really believe;" yet what is being said is not infact how the Adventist church actually does view the remnant.

I will start with a scripture verse which mentions "the remnant;" and then begin a series of posts taken from the Adventist publication entitled: 27 Fundamental Beliefs." The same can also be found in our new book, with the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.

I hope this topic will clarify the facts, and I pray that people will be blessed and encouraged, as I have been to read what the Bible says, and how we officially do view the topic. :)

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. This remnant announces the arrival of the judgment hour, proclaims salvation through Christ, and heralds the approach of His second advent. This proclamation is symbolized by the three angels of Revelation 14; it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on earth. Every believer is called to have a personal part in this worldwide witness.-Fundamental Beliefs, 13
 

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The Remnant and Its Mission

THE GREAT RED DRAGON CROUCHES, ready. Already it has brought about the downfall of one third of heaven's angels (Rev_12:4, Rev_12:7-9). Now, if it can devour the infant about to be born, it will have won the war.

The woman standing before it is garbed with the sun and has the moon under her feet and wears a crown of twelve stars. The male Child to whom she gives birth is destined to "rule all nations with a rod of iron."

The dragon pounces, but its efforts to kill the Child are in vain. Instead, the Child is "caught up to God and to His throne." Enraged, the dragon turns its wrath against the mother, who is miraculously given wings and is taken to a remote place specially prepared by God, where He nourishes her for a time and times and half a time-3 1/2 years, or 1260 prophetic days (Rev_12:1-6, Rev_12:13-14).

In Biblical prophecy, a pure woman represents God's faithful church.1 A woman depicted as a fornicator or adulteress represents God's people who have apostatized (Ezekiel 16; Isa_57:8; Jer_31:4-5; Hos_1:1-22; Hos_2:1-23; Hos_3:1-5; Rev_17:1-5).

The dragon, the "serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan," was waiting to devour the male Child, the long-expected Messiah, Jesus Christ. Satan, warring against his arch-enemy Jesus, used as his instrument the Roman empire. Nothing, not even death on the cross, could deter Jesus from His mission as Saviour of humanity.

At the cross, Christ defeated Satan. Speaking of the crucifixion, Christ said, "'Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out'" (Joh_12:31). Revelation describes heaven's hymn of victory: "'Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. . . . 154Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!'" (Rev_12:10-12). Satan's expulsion from heaven restricted his works. No longer could Satan accuse God's people before the heavenly beings.

But while heaven rejoices, earth must take warning: "'Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time'" (Rev_12:12).

To vent his anger Satan began persecuting the woman-the church (Rev_12:13), which, though it suffered greatly, nevertheless survived. Sparsely populated areas of the earth-"the wilderness"-provided refuge for God's faithful during the 1260 prophetic days or 1260 literal years (Rev_12:14-16; see Joh_1:1-3- Son of God - on the year-day principle).2

At the end of this wilderness experience God's people emerge in response to signs of the soon return of Christ. Johnn identifies this faithful group as "the remnant. . . which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev_12:7, KJV). The devil particularly hates this remnant (Rev_12:17).

When and where did this persecution take place? How did it come about? When did the remnant begin to appear? What is its mission? The answer to these questions requires a review of both Scripture and history.
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*Note: The above is commentary by our various leaders; and while only the paragraph in the first post here is the "official" belief, the commentary being taken from our fundamental beliefs book is representative of Adventist leader's thinking on the remnant. :)
 
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The Great Apostasy

The persecution of the Christian church was brought about at first by pagan Rome, then by apostasy within its own ranks. This apostasy was no surprise-John, Paul, and Christ predicted it.

During His last major discourse, Jesus warned His disciples of the coming deception. "'Take heed that no one deceives you, '" He said, "'for false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect'" (Mat_24:4, Mat_24:24). His followers would experience a period of "great tribulation," but they would survive (Mat_24:21-22). Impressive signs in nature would mark the end of this persecution and would reveal the nearness of Christ's return (Mat_24:29; Mat_24:32-33).

Paul too warned: "'After my departure, savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves'" (Act_20:29-30). These "wolves" would lead the church to "the apostasy," or "falling away."

This apostasy must occur before Christ's return, Paul said. It was such a certainty that the fact that it had not yet taken place was a sure sign that Christ's coming was not yet imminent. "Let no one deceive you by any means," he said, "for that Day will not come unless the falling away [apostasy] comes first, and the man of sin [lawlessness] is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple [church] of God, showing himself that He is God" (2Th_2:3-4).

Even during Paul's time this apostasy was already at work in a limited way. His method of operation was satanic, "with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception" (2Th_2:9-10). Before the end of the first century Johnn stated that "many false prophets have gone out into the world." Indeed, he said, "the spirit of the Antichrist" is "already in the world" (1Jo_4:1, 1Jo_4:3).

How did this apostate system come about?

The Ascendancy of the "Man of Sin." "As the church left its 'first love' (Rev_2:4), it forfeited its purity of doctrine, its high standards of personal conduct, and the invisible bond of unity provided by the Holy Spirit. In worship, formalism replaced simplicity. Popularity and personal power came more and more to determine the choice of leaders who first assumed increasing authority within the local church, then sought to extend their authority over neighboring churches.

"Administration of the local church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit eventually gave way to ecclesiastical authoritarianism at the hands of a single official, the bishop, to whom every church member was personally subject and through whom alone he had access to salvation. Henceforth leadership thought only of ruling the church instead of serving it, and the 'greatest' was no longer one who considered himself 'servant of all.' Thus, gradually, developed the concept of a priestly hierarchy that interposed between the individual and his Lord."3

As the importance of the individual and the local church eroded, the bishop of Rome emerged as the supreme power in Christianity. With the assistance of the emperor this highest bishop, or pope,4 was recognized as the visible head of the universal church, invested with supreme authority over all church leaders throughout the world.

Under the leadership of the papacy,5 the Christian church plunged into yet-deeper apostasy. The increasing popularity of the church accelerated its decline. Lowered standards caused the unconverted to feel comfortable in the church. Multitudes knowing very little of genuine Christianity joined the church in name only, bringing their pagan doctrines, images, modes of worship, celebrations, feasts, and symbolism with them.

These compromises between paganism and Christianity led to the formation of the "man of sin"-a gigantic system of false religion, a mixture of truth and error. The prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2 does not condemn individuals, but exposes the religious system responsible for the great apostasy. Many believers within this system, however, belong to God's universal church because they live according to all the light that they have.

The Suffering Church. With the decline of spirituality, the church of Rome developed a more secular profile with 156closer ties to the imperial government. Church and state were united in an unholy alliance.

In his classic The City of God, Augustine, one of the most influential church Fathers, set forth the Catholic ideal of a universal church in control of a universal state. Augustine's thinking laid the foundation of medieval papal theology.

In A.D. 533, in a letter incorporated in the Code of Justinian, the emperor Justinian declared the bishop of Rome head over all the churches.6 He also recognized the pope's influence in eliminating heretics.7

When Justinian's general Belisarius liberated Rome in A.D. 538, the bishop of Rome was freed from the control of the Ostrogoths, whose Arianism had resulted in their restricting the developing Catholic Church. Now the bishop could exercise the prerogatives Justinian's decree of A.D. 533 had granted him; he could increase the authority of the "Holy See." Thus began the 1260 years of persecution as Bible prophecy foretold (Dan_7:25; Rev_12:6, Rev_12:14; Rev_13:5-7).

Tragically, the church, with the assistance of the state, tried to force its decrees and teachings on all Christians. Many surrendered their beliefs out of fear of persecution, while those faithful to the scriptural teachings experienced severe persecution. The Christian world became a battlefield. Many were imprisoned or executed in the name of God! During the 1260-year persecution millions of faithful believers experienced great suffering while many paid for their loyalty to Christ with death.8

Every drop of blood spilled put a stain on the name of God and Jesus Christ. Nothing has done more harm to the cause of Christianity than this ruthless persecution. The grossly distorted view of the character of God given by these actions of the church, and the doctrines of purgatory and eternal torment, led many to reject Christianity altogether.

Long before the Reformation, voices within the Catholic Church protested against its merciless killing of opponents, its arrogant claims and demoralizing corruption. The church's unwillingness to reform gave birth to the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century. Its success was a great blow to the authority and prestige of the church of Rome. Through the Counter Reformation the papacy carried on a bloody struggle to crush the Reformation, but it gradually lost the battle against the forces striving for civil and religious freedom.

Finally, in 1798, 1260 years after A.D. 538, the Roman Catholic Church received a deadly blow (cf. Rev_13:3).9 The spectacular victories of Napoleon's armies in Italy placed the pope at the mercy of the French revolutionary government, which saw the Roman religion as the irreconcilable enemy of the Republic. The French government directed Napoleon to take the pope prisoner. At his orders General Berthier entered Rome and proclaimed the political rule of the papacy at an end. Taking the pope captive, Berthier carried him off to France, where he died in exile.10

The overthrow of the papacy was the culmination of a long series of events associated with its progressive decline. That event marks the end of the prophetic period of 1260 years. Many Protestants interpreted this event as a fulfillment of prophecy.11
 
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The Reformation

Unscriptural doctrines based on tradition, relentless persecution of dissenters, corruption, and the spiritual declension of many of the clergy were among the major factors that caused people to cry out for reforms within the established church.

The Doctrinal Issues. The following are examples of the un-Biblical doctrines that helped foster the Protestant Reformation and still separate Protestants and Roman Catholics.

1. The head of the church on earth is the vicar of Christ. This doctrine claims that only the bishop of Rome is the vicar or representative of Christ on earth and the visible head of the church. In contrast to the Biblical view of church leadership (see Eph_2:19-22- The Church), this doctrine was based on the assumptions that Christ made Peter the visible head of the church and that the pope is Peter's successor.12

2. The infallibility of the church and its head. The doctrine that contributed most strongly to the prestige and influence of the church of Rome was that of its infallibility. The church claimed it had never erred, and never would. It based this teaching on the following reasoning, which finds no Biblical support: Because the church is divine, one of its inherent attributes is infallibility. In addition, since God intended, through this divine church, to lead all people of good will to heaven, she must be infallible in teaching faith and morals.13 Christ, then, will preserve her from all error through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The logical corollary, which denies the basic corruptness of humans (see Gen_1:26-28- Nature of Man), is that the church's leader must also be infallible.14 Accordingly Catholic literature claimed divine prerogatives for its leader.15

3. The eclipse of Christ's high-priestly mediatorial ministry. As the influence of the church of Rome increased, the attention of believers was shifted away from Christ's continual mediatorial work as High Priest in heaven-the antitype of the continual daily sacrifices of the Old Testament sanctuary services (see Joh_1:1-3- Son of God and Heb_8:1-5- Christ's Ministry in he Heavenly Sanctuary)-to an earthly priesthood with its leader in Rome. Instead of trusting in Christ for forgiveness of sins and eternal salvation (see 1Pe_2:21-22- Life, Death, and Resurrection of Christ; see Joh_3:16- Experience of Salvation).

Christ's priestly ministry in heaven, where He constantly applies the benefits of His atoning sacrifice to repentant 158believers, was effectually negated when the church substituted the mass for the Lord's Supper. Unlike the Lord's Supper-a service that Jesus instituted to commemorate His death and to foreshadow His coming kingdom (see 1Co_10:16-17- The Lord's Supper)-the Catholic Church claims the mass to be a human priest's unbloody sacrifice of Christ to God. Because Christ is offered again, as He was at Calvary, the mass was considered to bring special grace to believers and the deceased.16

Ignorant of the Scriptures, knowing only the mass conducted by a human priesthood, multitudes lost the blessing of direct access to our Mediator Jesus Christ. Thus the promise and invitation, "Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb_4:16), was obliterated.

4. The meritorious nature of good works. The prevalent view that by doing good works a person could obtain the merit vital for salvation, that faith could not save, contradicted the New Testament's teaching (see chapters 9 and 10 of this book). The Catholic Church taught that the good works that were the result of grace infused into the sinner's heart were meritorious, which meant that they gave an individual a just claim to salvation. In fact, one could perform more good works than were necessary for salvation-as was the case with the saints-and thus accumulate extra merits. This extra merit could be used for the benefit of others. Because the church held that sinners were justified on the basis of the righteousness infused into their hearts, good works played an important role in a person's justification.

Meritorious works also played an important role in the doctrine of purgatory, which asserts that those who are not perfectly pure must bear a cleansing, temporal punishment for their sins in purgatory before they enter into the joys of heaven. By their prayers and good works, living believers could shorten the duration and the intensity of the suffering of those in purgatory.

5. The doctrine of penance and indulgences. Penance is the sacrament by which Christians may obtain forgiveness for sins committed after baptism. This forgiveness of sins is accomplished through the absolution of a priest, but before it can be obtained, Christians must examine their consciences, repent for their sins, and resolve to nevermore offend God. Then they must confess their sins to the priest and perform the penance-some task assigned by the priest.

Penance, however, did not completely release sinners. They still had to bear the temporal punishment either in this life or in purgatory. To take care of this punishment the church instituted indulgences, which provided the remission of the temporal punishment that remained due on account of sin after the guilt had been absolved. Indulgences, which could benefit both the living and those in purgatory, were granted on condition of penitence and the performance of prescribed good works, often in the form of payment of money to the church.

It was the extra merits of the martyrs, saints, apostles, and especially Jesus Christ and Mary, that made indulgences possible. Their merits were deposited in a "treasury of merit" and were transferable to those believers whose accounts were deficient. The pope, as the alleged successor of Peter, was in control of the keys of this treasury and could release people from temporal punishment by assigning them credit from the treasury.17

6. Ultimate authority resides in the church. Throughout the centuries the established church adopted many pagan beliefs, holy days, and symbols. When voices cried out against these abominations, the church of Rome assumed the sole right to interpret the Bible. The church, not the Bible, became the final authority (see 2Pe_1:20-21- Holy Scriptures). The church argued that two sources of divine truth existed: (1) The sacred Scriptures and (2) the Catholic tradition, which consisted of the writings of the Church Fathers, the decrees of church councils, approved creeds, and ceremonies of the church. Whenever church doctrines were supported by tradition but not by Scripture, tradition took precedence. Common believers had no authority to interpret the doctrines God had revealed in Scripture. That authority resided only in the Catholic Church.18

The Dawn of a New Day. In the fourteenth century Johnn Wycliffe called for a reformation of the church, not only in England but in all Christendom. During a time when few copies of the Bible existed, he provided the first translation of the whole Bible into English. His teachings of salvation through faith in Christ alone and that only the Scriptures were infallible laid the foundation of the Protestant Reformation. As the morning star of the Reformation, he tried to free Christ's church from the bonds of paganism that chained it in ignorance. He inaugurated a movement that was to liberate individual minds and to free whole nations from the clutches of religious error. Wycliffe's writings touched the souls of Huss, Jerome, Luther, and many others.

Martin Luther-fiery, impulsive, uncompromising-was perhaps the most powerful personality of the Reformation. More than any other man, he led the people back to the Scriptures and the great gospel truth of justification by faith, while he railed against salvation by works.

Declaring that believers should receive no authority other than the Scriptures, Luther turned people's eyes upward, from human works, priests, and penance, to Christ as their only Mediator and Saviour. It was impossible, he said, by human works to lessen the guilt of sinning or to avoid its punishment. Only repentance toward God and faith in Christ can save sinners. Because it is a gift, freely given, His grace cannot be purchased. Humans can have hope, therefore, not because of indulgences, but because of the shed blood of a crucified Redeemer.

Like an archeological expedition finding treasures buried beneath the accumulated discards of the centuries, the Reformation uncovered long-forgotten truths. Justification by faith, the great principle of the gospel, was rediscovered, as was a new appreciation for the once-for-all atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ and His all-sufficient mediatorial priesthood. Many un-Biblical teachings, such as prayers for the dead, veneration of saints and relics, celebration of the mass, worship of Mary, purgatory, penance, holy water, celibacy of the priesthood, the rosary, the inquisition, transubstantiation, extreme unction, and dependence upon tradition, were repudiated and abandoned.

The Protestant Reformers were nearly unanimous in identifying the papal system as the "man of sin," the "mystery of iniquity," and the "little horn" of Daniel, the entity that was to persecute God's true people during the 1260 years of Rev_12:6, Rev_12:14, and 13:5, before the Second Coming.19

The doctrine of the Bible and the Bible only as the norm of faith and morals became basic to Protestantism. The Reformers considered all human traditions subject to the final and higher authority of the Scriptures. In matters of religious faith no authority-pope, councils, church Fathers, kings, or scholars-was to rule the conscience. Indeed, the Christian world was beginning to awake from its slumber, and eventually, in many lands, religious liberty was proclaimed.
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*Note: There are foot-noted references for the commentary of the fundamental beliefs book, which I will post for this chapter, at the end here. There are lots more things to say here; but I will have to continue again when I have time. :)
 
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The Stagnated Reformation

The reformation of the Christian church should not have ended in the sixteenth century. The Reformers had accomplished much, but had not rediscovered all the light lost during the apostasy. They had taken Christianity out of utter darkness, but it still stood in the shadows. While they had broken the iron hand of the medieval church, given the Bible to the world, and restored the basic gospel, they had failed to discover other important truths. Baptism by immersion, immortality as a gift bestowed by Christ at the resurrection of the just, the seventh-day as the Bible Sabbath, and other truths (see chapters 7, 15, 20, and 26 of this book) were still lost in the shadows.

But instead of advancing the Reformation, their successors consolidated its achievements. They focused their attention on the Reformers' words and opinions instead of on Scripture. A few discovered new truths, but the majority refused to advance beyond what the early Reformers believed. Consequently the Protestant faith degenerated into formalism and scholasticism, and errors that should have been discarded were enshrined. The flame of the Reformation gradually died out, and Protestant churches themselves became cold, formal, and in need of reform.

The post-Reformation era buzzed with theological activity, but little spiritual progress was made. Frederic W. Farrar wrote that in this period "liberty was exchanged for bondage; universal principles 161for beggarly elements; truth for dogmatism; independence for tradition; religion for system. A living reverence for Scripture was superseded by a dead theory of inspiration. Genial orthodoxy gave place to iron uniformity and living thought to controversial dialectics."20 And although the "Reformation had broken the leaden sceptre of the old Scholasticism," the Protestant churches introduced "a new Scholasticism whose rod was of iron."21 Robert M. Grant called this new scholasticism "as rigid as any medieval theological construction."22 The Protestants "practically bound themselves by the limits of their current confessions."23

Controversies erupted. "There never was an epoch in which men were so much occupied in discovering each other's errors, or in which they called each other by so many opprobrious names."24 Thus the good news became a war of words. "Scripture no longer speaks to the heart but to the critical intellect."25 "Dogmas were orthodox, but spirituality was extinguished. Theology was triumphant, but love was quenched."26
 
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The Remnant

In spite of the apostasy and tribulation of the 1260 years, some believers continued to reflect the purity of the apostolic church. When the 1260 years of oppression ended in A.D. 1798, the dragon had failed to eradicate entirely God's faithful people. Against these Satan continued to direct his destructive efforts. Said John, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev_12:17).

What Is the Remnant? In John's description of the dragon's battle with the woman and her descendants, he used the expression "the rest of her offspring" (Rev_12:17). That expression means the "remaining ones" or "remnant" (Rev_12:17, KJV). The Bible portrays the remnant as a small group of God's people who, through calamities, wars, and apostasy, remain loyal to God. This faithful remnant were the rootstock God used to propagate His visible church on earth (2Ch_30:6; Ezr_9:14-15; Isa_10:20-22; Jer_42:2; Eze_6:8; Eze_14:22).

God commissioned the remnant to declare His glory and lead His scattered people throughout the world to His "holy mountain Jerusalem," "Mount Zion" (Isa_37:31-32; Isa_66:20; cf. Rev_14:1). Of those thus gathered together Scripture states, "These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes" (Rev_14:4).

Rev_12:17 contains a description of the last remnant in God's chosen line of loyal believers-His loyal witnesses in the last days before Christ's second coming. What are the remnant's characteristics?

The Characteristics of the Remnant. The remnant at the time of the end cannot be162easily mistaken. John describes this group in specific terms. Appearing after the 1260 years of persecution, they are made up of those "who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev_12:17).

They have the responsibility of proclaiming, just before Christ's return, God's final warning to all the world, the three angels' messages of Revelation 14 (Rev_14:6-12). These messages themselves contain a description of the remnant, they are "those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev_14:12). Let us consider more closely each of these characteristics.
 
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1. The faith of Jesus. God's remnant people are characterized by a faith similar to that which Jesus had. They reflect Jesus' unshakable confidence in God and the authority of Scripture. They believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah of prophecy, the Son of God, who came as the world's Saviour. Their faith encompasses all the truths of the Bible-those which Christ believed and taught.

God's remnant, then, will proclaim the everlasting gospel of salvation by faith in Christ. They will warn the world that the hour of God's judgment has arrived and they will prepare others to meet their soon-coming Lord. They will be engaged in a worldwide mission to complete the divine witness to humanity (Rev_14:6-7; Rev_10:11; Mat_24:14).

2. The commandments of God. Genuine faith in Jesus commits the remnant to follow His example. "He who says he abides in Him," John said, "ought himself also to walk just as He walked" (1Jo_2:6). Since Jesus kept His Father's commandments, they too will obey God's commandments (Joh_15:10).

Particularly since they are the remnant, their actions must harmonize with their profession-otherwise, it is worthless. Jesus said, "'Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord'" shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven'" (Mat_7:21). Through the strength Christ gives them, they obey God's requirements, including all ten of the commandments, God's unchanging moral law (Exo_20:1-17; Mat_5:17-19; Mat_19:17; Phi 4:13).

3. The testimony of Jesus. John defines "the testimony of Jesus" as "the spirit of prophecy" (Rev_19:10). The remnant will be guided by the testimony of Jesus conveyed through the gift of prophecy.

This gift of the Spirit was to function continuously throughout the history of the church, until "all come to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ" (Eph_4:13). It is, therefore, one of the major characteristics of the remnant.

Such prophetic guidance makes the remnant a people of prophecy who proclaim a prophetic message. They will understand prophecy and teach it. The revelation of truth that comes to the remnant helps them accomplish their mission of preparing the world for Christ's return (see Rev_19:10- Gift of Prophecy).
 
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The Emergence of the Remnant of the Last Days.

The Bible indicates that the remnant appears on the world's stage after the time of great persecution (Rev_12:14-17). The earthshaking events of the French Revolution, which led to the captivity of the pope at the end of the 1260-year period (A.D. 1798), and the fulfillment of the three great cosmic signs-in which earth, sun, moon, and stars testified of the nearness of Christ's return (see Rev_1:7- Second Coming of Christ)-led to a major revival of the study of prophecy. A widespread expectation of the imminent coming of Jesus arose. Throughout the world many Christians recognized that "the time of the end" had arrived (Dan_12:4).27

The fulfillment of Bible prophecies during the second half of the eighteenth and the first half of the nineteenth century brought about a powerful interconfessional movement centered on the Second Advent hope. In every church believers in the imminent return of Christ could be found, all praying, working, and anticipating the climax of the ages.

The Advent hope brought a deep spirit of unity among its adherents, and many joined together to warn the world about Christ's soon return. The Advent movement was a truly Biblical interconfessional movement centered in the Word of God and the Advent hope.

The more they studied the Bible, the more convinced they became that God was calling a remnant to continue the stagnated Reformation of the Christian church. They had themselves experienced the absence of the true spirit of the Reformation in their respective churches and a lack of interest in the study of and preparation for the Second Advent.

Their Bible study revealed that the trials and disappointments God had led them through constituted a deeply spiritual, purifying experience that brought them together as God's remnant. God had commissioned them to continue the Reformation that had brought so much joy and power to the church. With gratitude and humility they accepted their mission, realizing that God's commission had not come to them because of any inherent superiority, and that only through Christ's mercy and power could they in any way be successful.
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*NOTE: In the next post, we will start to deal with the mission of the remnant; and I think this will clear up a lot of misunderstandings I have seen being stated.
 
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The Mission of the Remnant

The prophecies of the book of Revelation clearly outline the mission of the remnant. The three angels' messages of Rev_14:6-12 reveal the proclamation of the remnant that will bring a full and final restoration of the gospel truth.28

These three messages comprise God's answers to the overwhelming satanic deception that sweeps the world just before Christ's return (Rev_13:3, Rev_13:8, Rev_13:14-16). Immediately following God's last appeal to the world Christ returns to reap the harvest (Rev_14:14-20).
 
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The First Angel's Message.
Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people-saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water" (Rev_14:6-7).
The first angel symbolizes God's remnant carrying an everlasting gospel to the world. This gospel is the same good news of God's infinite love that the ancient prophets and apostles proclaimed (Heb_4:2). The remnant do not present a different gospel-in view of the judgment they reaffirm that everlasting gospel that sinners can be justified by faith and receive Christ's righteousness.

This message calls the world to repentance. It summons all to "fear," or reverence, God and to give "glory," or honor, to Him. We were created for this purpose, and we can give honor or glory to God in our words and actions: "By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit" (Joh_15:8).

Johnn predicts that the movement preparing the world for Christ's return will give a renewed emphasis to the Biblical concern for glorifying God. As never before it will present the New Testament appeal for the sacred stewardship of our lives: "Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit." We do not have exclusive rights to our physical, moral, and spiritual powers; Christ bought these with His blood at Calvary. "Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's" (1Co_6:19-20). "Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" (1Co_10:31).

The fact that "the hour of His judgment" has arrived adds urgency to the call to repent (see Heb_8:1-5- Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary). In Rev_14:7, the word judgment translates the Greek krisis, the act of judging, not the sentence of judgment (krima). It refers to the entire process of judgment, including the arraignment of people before the divine judgment bar, the investigation of life records, the verdict of acquittal or conviction, and the bestowal of eternal life or the sentence of death (see Mat_16:27; Rom_6:23; Rev_22:12). The judgment-hour message also proclaims God's judgment on all apostasy (Dan_7:9-11, Dan_7:26; Rev_17:1-18, Rev_18:1-24).

The judgment-hour message points particularly to the time when, as the last phase of His high-priestly ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, Christ entered upon His work of judgment (see Heb_8:1-5- Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary).

This message also calls on all to worship the Creator. God's call to worship must be seen in contrast to the summons to worship the beast and his image (Rev_13:3, Rev_13:8, Rev_13:15). Soon everyone will have to make a choice between true and false worship-between worshiping God on His terms (righteousness by faith) or on our terms (righteousness by works). By commanding us "'to worship Him who made 165heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water'" (Rev_14:7; cf. Exo_20:11), this message calls attention to the fourth commandment. It leads people into true worship of the Creator, an experience that involves honoring His memorial of Creation-the seventh-day Sabbath of the Lord, which He instituted at Creation and affirmed in the Ten Commandments (see Gen_2:1-3- Sabbath). The first angel's message, therefore, calls for the restoration of true worship by presenting before the world Christ the Creator and Lord of the Bible Sabbath. This is the sign of God's Creation-a sign neglected by the vast majority of His created beings.

Providentially, the proclamation of this message calling attention to the Creator-God began at the stage of history when the evolutionary philosophy received a major boost from the publication of Charles Darwin's Origin of Species (1859). The preaching of the first angel's message constitutes the greatest bulwark against the progress of the theory of evolution.

Finally, this call implies the restoration of the honor of God's holy law, which has been trampled upon by the "man of lawlessness" (2Th_2:3, RSV). Only when true worship is restored and believers live the principles of God's kingdom can God be glorified.
 
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The Second Angel's Message
Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication (Rev_14:8).
From early history, the city of Babylon symbolized defiance of God. Its tower was a monument to apostasy and a center of rebellion (Gen_11:1-9). Lucifer (Satan) was its invisible king (Isa_14:4, Isa_14:12-14) and it appears that he wanted to make Babylon the agency of his master plan for ruling the human race. Throughout the Bible the struggle between God's city, Jerusalem, and Satan's city, Babylon, illustrates the conflict between good and evil.

During the early Christian centuries, when the Romans were oppressing both Jews and Christians, Jewish and Christian literature referred to the city of Rome as Babylon.29 Many believe that Peter used Babylon as a pseudonym for Rome (1Pe_5:13). Because of its apostasy and persecution, most Protestants of the Reformation and Post-Reformation era referred to the church of Rome as spiritual Babylon (Rev_17:1-18), the enemy of God's people.30

In Revelation, Babylon refers to the wicked woman, the mother of harlots, and her impure daughters (Rev_17:5). It symbolizes all apostate religious organizations and their leadership, though it refers especially to the great apostate religious alliance between the beast and his image that will bring about the final crisis described in Rev_13:15-17.

The second angel's message brings out the universal nature of the Babylonian apostasy and her coercive power, saying that "she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." 166The "wine" of Babylon represents her heretical teachings. Babylon will pressure the powers of state to enforce universally her false religious teachings and decrees.

The "fornication" mentioned represents the illicit relationship between Babylon and the nations-between the apostate church and civil powers. The church is supposed to be married to her Lord; in seeking instead the support of the state, she leaves her spouse and commits spiritual fornication (cf. Eze_16:15; Jam_4:4).

This illicit relationship results in tragedy. Johnn sees the inhabitants of the earth "drunk" with false teachings, and Babylon herself "drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus," who refuse to accept her unscriptural doctrines and submit to her authority (Rev_17:2, Rev_17:6).

Babylon falls because she rejects the first angel's message-the gospel of righteousness by faith in the Creator. As during the first few centuries the church of Rome apostatized, many Protestants of today have departed from the great Bible truths of the Reformation. This prophecy of Babylon's fall especially finds its fulfillment in the departure of Protestantism at large from the purity and simplicity of the everlasting gospel of righteousness by faith that once so powerfully impelled the Reformation.

The second angel's message will have increasing relevance as the end draws near. It will meet its complete fulfillment with the alliance of the various religious organizations that have rejected the first angel's message. The message of the fall of Babylon is repeated in Rev_18:2-4, which announces the complete downfall of Babylon and calls on those of God's people who are still in the various religious bodies comprising Babylon to separate from them. Says the angel, "'Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues'" (Rev_18:4).31
 
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The Third Angel's Message
If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Rev_14:9-12).
The first angel's message proclaims the everlasting gospel and calls for the restoration of the true worship of God as Creator because the judgment hour has arrived. The second angel warns against all humanly originated forms of worship. Finally, the third angel proclaims God's most solemn warning against worshiping the beast and his image-which all who reject the gospel of righteousness by faith ultimately will do.

The beast described in Rev_13:1-10 is the church-state union that dominated the Christian world for many centuries and was described by Paul as the "man of sin" (2Th_2:2-4) and by Daniel as the "little horn" (Dan_7:8, Dan_7:20-25; Dan_8:9-12, KJV). The image of the beast represents that form of apostate religion that will be developed when churches, having lost the true spirit of the Reformation, shall unite with the state to enforce their teachings on others. In uniting church and state they will have become a perfect image to the beast-the apostate church that persecuted for 1260 years. Hence the name image of the beast.

The third angel's message proclaims the most solemn and fearful warning in the Bible. It reveals that those who submit to human authority in earth's final crisis will worship the beast and his image rather than God. During this final conflict two distinct classes will develop. One class will advocate a gospel of human devisings and will worship the beast and his image, bringing upon themselves the most grievous judgments. The other class, in marked contrast, will live by the true gospel and "keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev_14:9, Rev_14:12). The final issue involves true and false worship, the true and the false gospel. When this issue is clearly brought before the world, those who reject God's memorial of creatorship-the Bible Sabbath-choosing to worship and honor Sunday in the full knowledge that it is not God's appointed day of worship, will receive the "mark of the beast." This mark is a mark of rebellion; the beast claims its change of the day of worship shows its authority even over God's law.32

The third message directs the world's attention to the consequence of refusing to accept the everlasting gospel and God's message of the restoration of true worship. It pictures vividly the final result of people's choices regarding worship. The choice is not an easy one, for whatever one chooses will involve suffering. Those who obey God will experience the wrath of the dragon (Rev_12:17) and eventually be threatened with death (Rev_13:15), while those who choose to worship the beast and his image will incur the seven last plagues and finally "the lake of fire" (Rev_15:1-8, Rev_16:1-21; Rev_20:14-15).

But while both choices involve suffering, their outcomes differ. The worshipers of the Creator will escape the deadly wrath of the dragon and stand together with the Lamb on Mount Zion (Rev_14:1; Rev_7:2-4). The worshipers of the beast and his image, on the other hand, receive the full wrath of God and die in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb (Rev_14:9-10; Rev_20:14).

Every person will have to choose whom to worship. Either one's choice of righteousness by faith will be revealed as one participates in a form of worship God has endorsed, or one's effectual choice of righteousness by works will be revealed as 168one participates in a form of worship God has forbidden but which the beast and his image command, a man-made worship. God cannot accept this latter form of worship, because it gives priorities to the commandments of men and not to those of God. It seeks justification through the works of man and not by faith that comes through a total surrender to God as Creator, Redeemer, and Re-creator. In this sense, then, the message of the third angel is the message of justification by faith.

God has His children in all churches; but through the remnant church He proclaims a message that is to restore His true worship by calling His people out of the apostasy and preparing them for Christ's return. Recognizing that many of God's people have yet to join them, the remnant sense their inadequacies and weaknesses when they try to fulfill this solemn mission. They realize that it is only through God's grace that they can accomplish their momentous task.

In the light of the soon coming of Christ and the need to prepare to meet Him, God's urgent, compassionate call comes home to each of us: "'Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities'" (Rev_18:4-5).
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1 The dazzling brilliance of the sun surrounding the pure woman (Rev_12:1) represents, according to various commentators, the light of the New Testament gospel, which empowered and gave unction to the early church. The moon, mirroring the light of the sun, fitly symbolizes the Old Testament's reflection of the light of the gospel through the predictions and rites that pointed forward to the cross and the One to come. The crown of twelve stars represents the church's roots, arising in the Old Testament in the fathers of the twelve tribes and extending in the New through the twelve apostles.

2 The use of year-day principle to calculate prophetic time was mentioned earlier in reference to the Messianic prophecy of Daniel 9. See Joh_1:1-3- Son of God.

3 SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 4, p. 835.

4 The name pope literally comes from the Low Latin papa, Low Greek, papas, "father," "bishop"; Greek pappas, "father." The pope is "the bishop of Rome; the head of the Roman Catholic Church." (Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, 2nd ed. [New York, NY: Simon & Schuster, 1979]).

5 The papacy can be defined as the system of ecclesiastical government in which supreme authority is vested in the pope.

6 Letter, Justinian to Pope Johnn, quoted in Letter, Pope Johnn to Justinian, in Codex Justinianus (Code of Justinian), Book I, title 1, 8, Corpus Juris Civilis, comp., Paulus Krueger, 12th ed. (Berlin: Weidmannsche Verlaglsbuchhandlung, l959), vol. 2, p. 11, in The Civil Law, ed. and trans. S.P. Scott, (Cincinnati, OH: Central Trust Comp., l932), vol. 12, pp. 11-13, Cf. Justiniani Novellae (Justinian's New Constitutions), 131 st New Constitution, Chap. 2, Corpus Juris Civilis, comps. Rudolfus Schoell and Guilelmus Kroll, 7th ed., vol. 3, p.665, in Civil Law, vol. 17, p. 125. See also Don Neufeld and Julia Neuffer, eds., Seventh-day Adventist Bible Student's Source Book (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald, l962), pp. 684, 685.

7 Letter, Justinian to Archbishop Epiphanius of Constantinople, March 26, 533, in Codex Justinians, Book i, title 1, 7, Corpus Juris Civilis, Krueger's ed., vol. 2, p. 8 as quoted in Source Book, p. 685.

8 See e.g. "Persecution," Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings (New York, NY: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1917), vol. 9, pp. 749-57; Johnn Dowling, The History of Romanism: From the Earliest Corruptions of Christianity to the Present Time, 10th ed. (New York, NY: Edward Walker, 1846), pp. 237-616.

9 This blow severely damaged the prestige of the papacy but did not end its influence. Rev_13:3 speaks of a healing of the "deadly wound," indicating a revival of the papal influence. In the last days it becomes the most powerful religious influence in the world.

10 George Trevor, Rome: From the Fall of the Western Empire (London: The Religious Tract Society, 1868), pp. 439, 440; Johnn Adolphus, The History of France From the Year 1790 to the Peace Concluded at Amiens in 1802 (London: George Kearsey, 1803), vol. 2, pp. 364-369. See also Source Book, pp. 701, 702.

11 Leroy E. Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald, 1948), vol. 2 pp. 765-782.

12 Peter Geiermann, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1957), pp. 27, 28.

13 Ibid., p. 27.

14 Later, the doctrine of papal infallibility was based on the assumption that (1) "infallibility as an attribute of a divine church is necessarily found in its fullness in her headship"; (2) Peter was infallible in teaching faith and morals, and (3) the pope has inherited from Peter the attributes of the divine church. It was concluded that when speaking ex cathedra "the Pope is an infallible Teacher in Faith and Morals" (Geiermann, p. 29). Ex cathedra in Latin literally means "from the chair." In reference to the pope it refers to his official pronouncements addressed to the Catholic Church.

15 For claims made for the papacy, see e.g. Lucius Ferraris, "Papa," art. 2, in Prompta Bibliotheca (Venice; Gaspar Storti, 1772), vol. 6, pp. 25-29 as quoted in Source Book, p. 680. For the claims of the papacy itself, see e.g. Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, Jan. 10, 1890 and June 20, 1894 in The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII (New York, NY: Benziger Brothers, 1903), pp. 193, 304. See also Source Book, pp. 683, 684.

16 Catechism of the Council of Trent for Paris Priests, trans. by Johnn A. McHugh and Charles J. Callan (New York, NY: Joseph F. Wagner, Inc., 1958 reprint), pp. 258, 259. See also Source Book, p. 614.

17 SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, pp. 47, 48.

18 See Council of Trent, Session IV (April 8, 1546) as quoted in The Creeds of Christendom. ed., Philip Schaff, 6th ed., rev. (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1983), vol. 2, pp. 79-83. See also Source Book, pp. 1041-1043.

19 Froom, Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, vol. 2, pp. 528-531.

20 Frederic W. Farrar, History of Interpretation (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1979), p. 358.

21 Ibid.

22 Robert M. Grant, A Short History of Interpretation of the Bible (Philadelphia, PA: Fortress Press, 1984), p. 97.

23 Farrar, p. 361.

24 Ibid., 363.

25 Grant, p. 97.

26 Farrar, p. 365.

27 For the origin of the remnant, see Froom, Prophetic Faith Of Our Fathers, vol. 4; P. Gerard Damsteegt, Foundations of the Seventh-day Adventist Message and Mission (Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1977).

28 Cf. Damsteegt, "A Theology of Restoration" (paper presented at the Centennial Conference of Evangelism, Andrews University, May 4, 1974).

29 See Midrash Rabbah on Canticles I. 6, 4; Tertullian, Against Marcion, III, 13; Tertullian, Answer to the Jews, 9.

30 Froom, Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, vol. 2, pp. 531, 787.

31 SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, pp. 828-31.

32 The Catholic Church claims the authority to change the day of worship. "Q. Which is the Sabbath Day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath Day. Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday" (Geiermann, p. 50). See also Source Book, p. 886. This catechism received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910 (ibid.)
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Greeting Castaway: Part One

I must present truth to the false concept that you have presented here. I know you will get upset with me but that is ok. I do not want others to believe that any church is called in the Bible the remnant. I selected certain of your specific quotes that are not correct according to the Scriptures. I also stand up against false tradition and doctrines of the SDA Church. Does this make the original message given to the SDA Church wrong no it does not! The same message was given to the Jews who also hung onto their doctrine and traditions as well. This will be divided into three parts.

But HE answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the Commandment of ELOHIM by your tradition? This people draweth nigh unto ME with their mouth, and honoureth ME with their lips; but their heart is far from ME. But in vain they do worship ME, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt 15:3, 8, 9

So it is with the 27 and now 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA Church. Which is founded on Uriah Smith book called Daniel and Revelation that had truth mixed with human error. I only need the Bible and those inspired by ELOHIM because they will prove all things exactly from the Word!

But while heaven rejoices, earth must take warning: "'Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time'" (Rev_12:12).

I will not go in direct detail here but to say that this Scriptures refers only to the Devil who is allow to roam the earth and not all of his angels. Jude 1:7

These compromises between paganism and Christianity led to the formation of the "man of sin"-a gigantic system of false religion. . .The overthrow of the papacy was the culmination of a long series of events associated with its progressive decline. That event marks the end of the prophetic period of 1260 years. Many Protestants interpreted this event as a fulfillment of prophecy.

The SDA also but the man of sin is not the pope or the papacy as EGW stated very clearly:

There is need of a much closer study of the word of ELOHIM; especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy; but we should call attention to what the prophets and apostles have written under the inspiration of the HOLY SPIRIT of ELOHIM. TM 112

The man of sin is the beast/man who will come out of the Catholic Church, but will hate everything she once stood for.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Rev 17:3, 17

Same exact wording in Daniel:

I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Dan 7:11

Now the beast/man will set up 10 kings and together they will hate the woman who name is call a harlot:

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the LAMB, and the LAMB shall overcome them: for HE is MASTER of masters, and KING of kings: and they that are with HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful. And HE saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For ELOHIM hath put in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the Words of ELOHIM shall be fulfilled. Rev 17:12-17

The testimony of Jesus. John defines "the testimony of Jesus" as "the spirit of prophecy" (Rev_19:10). The remnant will be guided by the testimony of Jesus conveyed through the gift of prophecy. . .They will understand prophecy and teach it.

Here sadly you contradict yourself. The Testimony of YAHSHUA is correct the Spirit of Prophecy which was given to John.

The Revelation of YASHUA the MESSIAH, which ELOHIM gave unto HIM, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and HE sent and signified it by HIS angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the Word of ELOHIM, and of the Testimony of YAHSHUA the MESSIAH, and of all things that he saw. Rev 1:1, 2

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the Testimony of YAHSHUA: Worship ELOHIM: for the Testimony of YAHSHUA is the Spirit of Prophecy. Rev 19:10

See John tried to worship the angel who gave to John the Spirit of Prophecy that YAHSHUA gave to this specific angel!

The gift of prophecy is one of the spiritual gifts given to us by the HOLY SPIRIT!

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same SPIRIT.To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:1, 4, 10

I do agree the faithful will understand Revelation which is the Testimony of YAHSHUA as EGW clearly stated above just before HE comes.

Happy Sabbath and bless President Obama and all those in the storm,
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Castaway: Part Two

The Emergence of the Remnant of the Last Days. The Bible indicates that the remnant appears on the world's stage after the time of great persecution (Rev_12:14-17). The earthshaking events of the French Revolution, which led to the captivity of the pope at the end of the 1260-year period (A.D. 1798). . . The prophecies of the book of Revelation clearly outline the mission of the remnant. The three angels' messages of Rev_14:6-12 reveal the proclamation of the remnant that will bring a full and final restoration of the gospel truth.

The Bibles does not states that the remnant appears at 1798 but that the seed of the woman will become the remnant. It does not indicate a church but seed from the woman who represent the pure church throughout history.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of ELOHIM, and have the Testimony of YAHSHUA the MESSIAH. Rev 12:17

This Scripture is very clear that the devil was angry with the woman but he made war with her last seed. At the Bible gives you clear who they are:

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:12

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the Seal of the LIVING ELOHIM: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our ELOHIM in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an Hundred and Forty and Four thousand of all the Tribes of the children of Israel. After this I beheld, and, lo, a Great Multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindred's, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the LAMB, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of Great Tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the LAMB. Rev 7:1-4, 9, 14

And I looked, and, lo, a LAMB stood on the Mount Sion, and with HIM an Hundred Forty and Four Thousand, having HIS FATHER'S NAME written in their foreheads. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are Virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever HE goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the First-fruits unto ELOHIM and to the LAMB. Rev 14:1, 4

Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten Virgins, which took their Lamps, and went forth to meet the BRIDEGROOM. But the Wise took OIL in their vessels with their Lamps. Matt 25:1, 4

And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, the GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a Time of Trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Dan 12:1, 3

As ELOHIM has shown me the travels of the Advent people to the Holy City and the rich reward to be given those who wait the return of their MASTER from the wedding, it may be my duty to give you a short sketch of what ELOHIM has revealed to me. . .I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them, when a voice said to me, "Look again, and look a little higher." At this I raised my eyes, and saw a straight and narrow path, cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the city, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the beginning of the path, which an angel told me was the midnight cry. This light shone all along the path and gave light for their feet so that they might not stumble. If they kept their eyes fixed on YAHSHUA, who was just before them, leading them to the city, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and said the city was a great way off, and they expected to have entered it before. Then YASHUA would encourage them by raising HIS Glorious Right Arm, and from HIS Arm came a Light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted, "Alleluia!" Others rashly denied the light behind them and said that it was not ELOHIM that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of YAHSHUA, and fell off the path down into the dark and wicked world below. Soon we heard the voice of ELOHIM like many WATERS, which gave us the day and hour of YAHSUAH’S coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the VOICE, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When ELOHIM spoke the time, HE poured upon us the Holy SPIRIT, and our faces began to light up and shine with the Glory of ELOHIM, as Moses’ did when he came down from Mount Sinai.
The 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, ELOHIM, New Jerusalem, and a Glorious Star containing YAHSHUA’ New NAME. EW 14,15

You see Castaway the SDA Church will fall because there is both wheat and tares in the church! The tares comes up with false doctrines and traditions that the tares only will accept but not the wheat!

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Castaway: Part Three

This prophecy of Babylon's fall especially finds its fulfillment in the departure of Protestantism at large from the purity and simplicity of the everlasting gospel of righteousness by faith that once so powerfully impelled the Reformation.

Again you are incorrect because the Bible clearly tells who Babylon really is:

And they burnt the House of ELOHIM, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire, and destroyed all the goodly vessels thereof. And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia: To fulfil the Word of YAHWEH by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her Sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years. Ch 36:19-21

The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O Heavens, and give ear, O earth: for YAHWEH hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers. Isa 1:1,2, 7

And HE said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Then said I, YAHWEH, how long? And HE answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, Isa 6:9, 11

The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in. There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone. Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when YAHWEH of HOST shall reign in Mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before HIS Ancients Gloriously. Isa 24:10,11, 23

For thus saith YAHWEH unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto ME, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited. And I will prepare destroyers against thee, everyone with his weapons: and they shall cut down thy choice cedars, and cast them into the fire. And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath YAHWEH done thus unto this great city? Jer 22:6-8

And HE shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week HE shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations HE shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:10, 11

Behold, your House is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see ME, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is HE that cometh in the NAME of YAHWEH. Luke 13:35

For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let HIS habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Act 1:20

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev 11:8

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For ELOHIM hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the Words of ELOHIM shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Rev 17:16-18

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and ELOHIM hath remembered her iniquities. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is YAHWEH ELOHIM who judgeth her. Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Rev 18:1, 2, 5, 8, 10

I will make this simple as I can. The Bible is intertwine and carefully laid out and you must follow the complete story. YAHWEH city on this earth starting with Melchizedek was Jerusalem and HIS House was the Sanctuary build on Mount Moriah known as Mount Zion. Jerusalem has always been identifies as that or the great city. Now here is how also uses numbers: Jerusalem was desolated twice before during Nebuchadnezzar, than during Rome. But there will be a final time because Jerusalem the city know as the MOST HIGH as caused nothing but confusion in these last days. It is controlled today by those who call themselves believers of the MOST HIGH but they are not. The Catholic, the Armenian, the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic, the false Jews, and Islam all have a piece of this city. Revelation Chapter 18 gives a complete description of this great city. Here the USA states she will fight anyone over this city but soon and very soon the USA the lamblike beast will be the very one who will destroy her and make her desolate for the last and final time. In history the Catholic church had crusades to control this city during her 1,260 years but it was an Islam Caliph that allowed the Catholic to have some rights to the city. However it is the Catholic triumph goal to completely rule over this city. The papacy will rule as she must to prove to the Protestant world that she is both the father and the son. She also must have the Elohim former place of worship-the Temple! She will along with the Jews and the Protestants build the Temple but it will be taken from her by the man of sin-the beast who will go into perdition or destruction!

He shall enter also into the Glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the Glorious Holy Mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Dan 11:41, 45

God has His children in all churches; but through the remnant church He proclaims a message that is to restore His true worship by calling His people out of the apostasy and preparing them for Christ's return.

There is no remnant church but the seed of the woman is all who will come out of all churches. The first-fruit of the woman seed is the 144,000 who will bring in the Great Multitude and this will be the remnant the 144,000 and the Great Multitude. When the both of them are sealed the beast, the false prophet and the 10 kings of the earth will go into battle with the Papacy, the Jews and the Protestants and fight the final Battle of Armageddon. YASHUA people will have scatter and they now go after them and the LAMB will fight our battle when HE returns in the cloud and place both the beast and the false prophet in the lake of fire. YASHUA and the Saints will return with HIS Bride the New Jerusalem and the rest of people will be destroyed with Satan and his angels.

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Castaway: Part Two

The Emergence of the Remnant of the Last Days. The Bible indicates that the remnant appears on the world's stage after the time of great persecution (Rev_12:14-17). The earthshaking events of the French Revolution, which led to the captivity of the pope at the end of the 1260-year period (A.D. 1798). . . The prophecies of the book of Revelation clearly outline the mission of the remnant. The three angels' messages of Rev_14:6-12 reveal the proclamation of the remnant that will bring a full and final restoration of the gospel truth.

The Bibles does not states that the remnant appears at 1798 but that the seed of the woman will become the remnant. It does not indicate a church but seed from the woman who represent the pure church throughout history.
There have been many objections over the course of history to the Biblical concept of "the remnant;" but I see these as mostly misunderstanding of the Bible's use of this term. Again, looking at official Adventist teachings on this can be helpful:
As the destined Messiah Jesus gathered a remnant community to Himself. Though reluctant to acknowledge Himself publicly as Messiah because of His rejection of a political and nationalistic messiahship, to some Jesus did not hesitate to affirm that the title was His (Matt. 16:16, 17; Mark 14:61, 62; 15:2; John 4:25, 26). A Messiah without a community was unthinkable to the Jewish mind. The concepts of disciples, a remnant, and messiahship were constitutive of a new community, a people of God, which is the Messiah’s essential possession.

Christ also gave His followers memorable teachings about the manner of life they were meant to live, illustrated, for instance, in the Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5–7), whose ethical demands presuppose a community. Those who attached themselves to Him were to be prepared to make the same sacrifices as their Master, to be cross-bearers (Matt. 16:24) and develop entirely new values in which world-gaining became of no importance compared with losing life for the sake of Jesus (Mark 8:34–36).​

The Gospels show us also that those whom Jesus called were sent out on a mission. Theirs was a community with a mission. That the 12 (Mark 3:13–15), and later on the 70 (Luke 10:1, 7–20), were sent out on a mission did not happen by chance; it was part of a deliberate purpose of our Lord Himself. They had been called with this in view (Mark 6:7–13; Luke 10:1, 17–20). They, in turn, with the same end in view, were to pray “the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest” (Luke 10:2). Christ’s ministry aimed at the formation of a particular community.

2.The Shepherd and His Flock


The absence of the word “church” from the Gospels, except in Matthew 16:18 and 18:17, is explained to some extent by the occurrence of several other terms intended to describe the new people of God. This intent is reflected in Jesus’ teaching on His “flock” and the “true vine.” The “shepherd-and-flock” picture is prominent in both OT and NT (Ps. 23; 80:1; Luke 12:32; John 10; 21:15; cf. Matt. 26:31). It is true that “flock” and “church” are quite distinct in biblical history and usage, but they describe the same people of God. When He called all who would receive life from Him to follow Him (cf. Matt. 4:19; 8:22; Mark 2:14; 8:34; Luke 5:27; 18:22; John 1:43; 21:22), He called them, not only to Himself, but into a relationship closer than that of a natural family. That new family was not determined by flesh, but by those doing the will of God (Mark 3:33–35).

During the course of His ministry Jesus gathered a community around Himself. The supporting evidence for the community idea provides no reason to doubt that Jesus could have spoken about the church, as we find it in Matthew 16 and 18. The authenticity of the utterances, especially the first one, “I will build my church,” has been called into question, but on grounds of minimal textual support. It is made up of rather arbitrary presumptions regarding the composition of this particular Gospel. There are no conclusive reasons for denying that Jesus’ statements about the church are authentic, though they may refer to a looser concept than the organization and structure that later developed in early Christianity.​
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http://www.christianforums.com/#_ftnref3Dederen, R. (2001, c2000). Vol. 12: Handbook of Seventh-Day Adventist Theology (electronic ed.). Logos Library System; Commentary Reference Series (540). Hagerstown, MD: Review and Herald Publishing Association.
The official Adventist teachings on the remnant is something I can place a lot of confidence in because it is Biblical; it is careful to not disparage other denominations, and most Adventist writings on the remnant will simply describe it as "a community with a mission." (as I stated above).

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