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(Or are you limiting the meaning of "real" to physically/historically real?)
This is the nub of the problem. Creationists are essentially logical positivists with a side-order of divinity.
*best Adam Savage (from mythbusters) impression* Well there's your problem...Get The Lion King video, some Barry Manilow CDs, a book of poetry by Ginsburg and a collection of the greatest speeches of Al Gore and John Edwards. Once driven out of your mind by the words of people who think they have something to say and pretend to be able to articulate it, you will become a logical positivists too.
You are aware of what logical positivism is, aren't you?
It's the idea that the only "real" truth is "factual truth"; that is, truth is only and exclusively something that can be observed empirically (using the 5 senses only.)
God cannot be observed empirically, therefore by this philosophy, God can't exist either.
In privilaging "factual, historical" truth over (for want of a better term) symbolic truth, you're falling right into the hands of secularists who want to deny the spiritual altogether.
And truth must be able to be articulated or it is not truth.
So, mumbling about "spiritual" transit of the Red Sea would be without content, for example.
This is the nub of the problem. Creationists are essentially logical positivists with a side-order of divinity.
According to that definition of real, God doesn't exist either, because God is not physical but spiritual.
Events, things etc (brute facts), do not have meanings inherent in them. They only mean something because we ascribe meaning to them.
There are particular meanings for various things -
This is a lie. Science restricts its investigation of reality to the seen, it neither denies nor affirms the unseen. As you've been told umpteen times.Science limits reality to the seen
Then case closed.the stories themselves are "not real"
Seriously now, how many times do we have to go over the fact that I'm NOT arguing this point?We do not reject the redemptive history behind the stories,
So getting back to the OP, would you then disagree with mark that evolution contradicts redemptive history? Perhaps shernen worded his question in the OP poorly, but surely you can comment on the quote about how evolution and redemptive history are incompatable.Then case closed.
Seriously now, how many times do we have to go over the fact that I'm NOT arguing this point?
So getting back to the OP, would you then disagree with mark that evolution contradicts redemptive history? Perhaps shernen worded his question in the OP poorly, but surely you can comment on the quote about how evolution and redemptive history are incompatable.
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