Odd Sexuality - The "Where Does It Stop" Argument

[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

I am not necessarily against gay marriage or gay couples getting an adoption, I'm just curious as to where people draw the line regarding that which is sexually acceptable.

Assume all members are above the age of consent.

Are incestual relationships okay? Brother and sister? Brother and brother? Sister and sister? Parent and child? Grandparent and grandchild?

Would your opinion change if one of the persons were sterilized?

Should incestual partners be allowed to adopt a child?

What about multiple partner relationships?

I'm not talking about the type of relationship that involves several abused wives, let's assume they are all fully willing to enter the marriage.

Should there be a limit to the number of people that can be married?

Should people involved with multiple partners be allowed to adopt?

What are your justifications?

What about justifications regarding gay couples, especially for those who support gay marriage/adoptions but disagree with everything else I mentioned?

Thanks for your input folks.

 

[Stuco]

I believe that marriage should only be between one man and one woman, non-incesstual and that as long as they meet this requierment pluss be able to support, be good examples, and love the child then it is allright for them to adopt.

 

[Alecto]

I say as long as you are not endangering yourself or anyone else, you are not contributing to the spread of disease (Sexually transmitted and otherwise), you are not breaking any criminal law, everyone involved is doing so out of free will, and you pay your taxes, go for it.

I personally dont see much point in some of those that you mentioned (Polyamorous relationships/marraiges, grandparent and grandchild) but as I said, if its not hurting anyone and no one is being forced or threatened, then I really cant see a reason to be against it. Some of the stuff is a little creepy, but many of the legitimate things people do these days turn my stomach.

As long as no one is physically or mentally hurt or forced, I really dont see a huge issue. Most of those make people's moral radar go banannas, but I dont think that gives anyone any real special right.

I AM against forced relationships, especially incest because that tends to be rape more often than not. But I have known incestuous relationships that were not forced and were truly out of love and precautions were taken against pregnancy.

And a special note to those who are TOTALLY against incest, genetic disorders due to inbreeding take several generations of inbreeding for problems to manifest.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Regarding the various combinations/permutations, all should be permitted. It's called freedom. And it stops when it harms someone else. Unless/until you can demonstrate why a certain thing harms someone else, it should be legal (IMO).

 

[DaRkWoLf]

I agree/tolerate all of the above as long as no one is getting directly hurt.

 

[Madcoil]

Stay kinky. Stay safe.

 

[trunks2k]

Are incestual relationships okay? Brother and sister? Brother and brother? Sister and sister? Parent and child? Grandparent and grandchild?

Would your opinion change if one of the persons were sterilized?

I personally feel that the chance of coercion (sp?) is too high in the cases you presented above, as such I don't think that they are "ok". However, once you start moving into extended family, things get a bit more iffy. Cousins of the same age are iffy, but I wouldn't want an aunt/uncle with a niece/nephew. But as the relationship gets more extended, then the age differences become more acceptable.

Should incestual partners be allowed to adopt a child?

Morally greyish area.

What about multiple partner relationships?

If given that the partners are all in love with eachother, then I say go for it. However, due to the state of the law, giving them the right to marriage is impractical. Marriage laws aren't exactly what you would call structured for multiple partners. That would need to be changed before it would be practical to allow polygamous marriages.

What about justifications regarding gay couples,

I see gay couples as not any different than heterosexual couples, execept fir the sexes are the same. They raise children just as well and are just as capable of having healthy relationships as heterosexuals are. I strongly feel that most or all precieved shortcomings of homsexual relationships are either non-existant (based on bad studies or prejudices) or due to directly or inderectly to the social climate towards GLBT people.

 

[Cerberus~]

I miss the old comparrisons to beastiality. Those were easily refuted.

 

[Hungry Hungry Hippo]

I agree/tolerate all of the above as long as no one is getting directly hurt.

Only direct harm?

What about indirect harm?

 

[DaRkWoLf]

Only direct harm?

What about indirect harm?

Incest cant cause direct harm in one incedent. It should just be noted familly wise, that in breeding should be monitored for futere offsprings sake. After a couple generations of inbreeding, defficiencies begin to emerge.

 

[SatKat]

I feel that as long as no one is coersed into any of the relationships you mentioned, it should be perfectly fine. However, i do feel that incest should be definately restricted if not illegal, since birth defects would become a problem in smaller communities. (when everyone's your cousin, what choice do you have?).

 

[Scally Cap]

The thought of the incestual pairings listed above gives me a serious case of the willies... but that alone isn't a reasonable basis for disallowing them. If they're consenting, competent adults, I'm not sure I can come up with a sound reason (ick factors are not sound reasons) for banning them. Legal acceptance would not, of course, compel me to start an intimate relationship with one of my relatives.

 

[jayem]

I don't how much reliable, objective data there is regarding incest. It is my impression that most cases are not truly consensual, and are associated with some coercison--usually a parent, older sibling, or other family member molesting a minor. And most always there is concurrent substance abuse and mental illness.

Likewise, I think truly consensual multiple marriage is quite uncommon. What I've read tends to indicate that the religiously based plural marriages are usually underage girls forced to marry older men. With extremely disturbed family dynamics. And the garden variety polygamists are most often men with sociopathic behavior--con men who have several women, often in different locations who are unaware of each other.


I just think it's rather unlikely that these kinds of relationships can exist without some degree of coercion, duplicity, or other pathology. But I am willing to be educated if someone knows of any good data to the contrary.

 

[Scally Cap]

I just think it's rather unlikely that these kinds of relationships can exist without some degree of coercion, duplicity, or other pathology. But I am willing to be educated if someone knows of any good data to the contrary.

Oh, I completely agree with this--my hypothtical acceptance is based on hypothetical consent. And the relationships you described, of course, do not involve consent.

 

[Seeking...]

I'm fine with all of it provided that everyone is a consenting adult - meaning that I don't believe parents should have the right to give permission for 15 year olds to marry (too often that permission is coercion). Only adults and/or emancipated minors.

I do believe that abuse may be above average in some of the relationships described - but our laws are not based on preventing abusive relationships...

BTW - I'd love to have a wife and two husbands and raise a family (I don't want to be related to any of my spouses though...)

 

[Phred]

Are incestual relationships okay? Brother and sister? Brother and brother? Sister and sister? Parent and child? Grandparent and grandchild?

No. One of the people in that relationship is in a position of power over the other. That kind of relationship isn't usually loving, may times it's abusive. So... no.

Would your opinion change if one of the persons were sterilized?

Nope. Although genetics is a mighty good reason for siblings not to marry as well.

Should incestual partners be allowed to adopt a child?

Nope.

What about multiple partner relationships?

Don't see why not. A marriage of three or four people might work for some. Might be a response to our current social dilemmas of not being able to stay home with the kids because two salaries are necessary to keep everyone clothed and fed.

What about justifications regarding gay couples.

They love each other and are entitled to the same benefits and protections as any other married couple. Just because some folks don't like which way they face when they have sex is no reason to discriminate against them. Especially when that discrimination is based upon ancient mythology.

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[DiggityDogg]

Once it becomes harmful to others or to the people involved only.

 

[Illuminatus]

Incest cant cause direct harm in one incedent.

That's not true. It's unlikely to cause major problems within one generation of breeding, but it's still possible.

 

[Tamweop]

I am not necessarily against gay marriage or gay couples getting an adoption, I'm just curious as to where people draw the line regarding that which is sexually acceptable.

Assume all members are above the age of consent.

Are incestual relationships okay? Brother and sister? Brother and brother? Sister and sister? Parent and child? Grandparent and grandchild?

Would your opinion change if one of the persons were sterilized?

Should incestual partners be allowed to adopt a child?

What about multiple partner relationships?

I'm not talking about the type of relationship that involves several abused wives, let's assume they are all fully willing to enter the marriage.

Should there be a limit to the number of people that can be married?

Should people involved with multiple partners be allowed to adopt?

What are your justifications?

What about justifications regarding gay couples, especially for those who support gay marriage/adoptions but disagree with everything else I mentioned?

Thanks for your input folks.

As long as everyone is a consenting adult, then everything goes. But I don't think people in an incestuous relationship should have their own biological children.

There are risk of coercion is some of those relationships, but those risks are present in more "traditional" relationship too.

 

[Ledifni]

I am not necessarily against gay marriage or gay couples getting an adoption, I'm just curious as to where people draw the line regarding that which is sexually acceptable.

Assume all members are above the age of consent.

Are incestual relationships okay? Brother and sister? Brother and brother? Sister and sister? Parent and child? Grandparent and grandchild?

Would your opinion change if one of the persons were sterilized?

Should incestual partners be allowed to adopt a child?

What about multiple partner relationships?

I'm not talking about the type of relationship that involves several abused wives, let's assume they are all fully willing to enter the marriage.

Should there be a limit to the number of people that can be married?

Should people involved with multiple partners be allowed to adopt?

What are your justifications?

What about justifications regarding gay couples, especially for those who support gay marriage/adoptions but disagree with everything else I mentioned?

Thanks for your input folks.

All of the above seems to fall into the category of, "If it's not hurting anyone else, it's your business, not mine." Except that I'm leery of incest, primarily because it seems to me that it would be very easy for one to wrongly take advantage of family members, and that to an outside observer, a coercive incestuous relationship might be indistinguishable from a loving one.