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OCD Vows - A little strange

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Part of me thinks it would be best not to post this. I've gone about reading numerous threads on the same topic, on multiple websites. I want to give a full picture of my situation, and if by the grace of God someone can findly give me some closure I would greatly appreciate it. Before I get into the topic I think it best to give some background about me.

I started having OCD Compulsions in my early teens. I am undiagnosed, but things are starting to make much more sense now. I've never looked them up before, I was always able to handle them in my own mind over time. It started out when I was a child, i used to think every time i would go to sleep i would die. It moved on to excessive washing of hands, for any reason, multiple times a day until my hands were chapped and bleeding. The last one was Christian Vows. I don't know how it started, i don't know how it started, but it got bad, really really bad, until the point i remember crying on the couch. The were intrusive thoughts not wanted in any way. I broke it the way I broke any OCD issue I had, I forced myself not to think about it.

I became a Christian in truth about 4 years ago now. I truly believed in God, and felt a piece and love I had never know before. For years that sustained me, even when I had doubts about anything with regards to God, existence or anytime, I still knew deep down I was saved I never doubted that, until this year. I read the new testament again for the first time in a great while and Realized how far my life differed from the requirements. Hebrews onward was like a blow to the chest. I suppose that was the first nagging sensation of doubt. What really bothered me was my love of fantasy books, movies, and games. It is my favorite pass time. Or, at least it was until i saw the sorcery sin in the New Testament. I have always been selective about my words to God, especially after going through the vow phase. In fact, I still (try to) keep the one Vow I know is legitimate to this day, Brushing my teeth. So I didn't want to say it was sin, or I'd give it up without truly know, because in my mind if I did there would be no difference between that and a vow. Looking back, I remember looking up articles regarding it and remembering that the consensuses was always so divided regarding whether or not it was wrong. I would like to think the reason I stopped was because I wanted a clear head before going any further with the topic, cleans my system of it, and I'm sure that was partially the reason, but I was also heavily frustrated regarding it. Matters of conscious always seem to be that way.

That worked up until march of this year where i mentally just broke. I don't want to go into the reason in detail, lets just say I take the Jesus warning in Revelations very seriously and I broke it. In my worry in fear to correct it I sinned even more and caused a bad situation to get worse. This situation is not what this post is about, it's more background information.

I spent a lot of time alone, watching sermons that month. I came across a sermon that month from a pastor I respect Mike Faberez regarding repentance. That word, even though i knew the meaning had never really been used in a daily basis in my Christian walk. I know that sounds odd. Looking back I can see my attempts to change, and my ignorce of how much I was actually sinning. At that moment, and even now sometimes I doubt my salvation. I have to remind myself of that one perfect moment years ago when I truly understood who Jesus is. However, in that month left alone to my mind an issue I had thought was over was slowly coming back, even though I wasn't realizing it. Taking hold in a way it never had for a long time. I had gotten into my mind that unless I prayed to God I repent of Fantasy, which in my mind would be the same regardless if I used the word promise or Vow, I could never be saved. That I was never a Christian to begin with and I could only become one unless I said that.
I was able to stop the impulse for a month, maybe a month and a half, living with the fear that I was going to hell, but still unwilling to make the prayer because deep in my mind I knew it would complicated the issue further. However, after hearing a sermon on the radio. That I felt like I needed to pray right now, that I would feel better if I did, that I was necessary and God was telling me to do it.

So I shut my mind off bypassed the resistance I always had when praying, I didn't even consider the words I was praying, only focused on the keep going portion, that this was good and needed. I remember saying something like I repent of Sci-Fi and Fantasy and maybe other things as well, again I was really trying not to think while praying, but those things stood out. When I had finished praying and contemplated the words I just thought in prayer I remember feeling this dread and the wideness of the scope of my prayer. I rationalized away quickly after, looking up the meaning of repentance, which is turning away from sin. I figured well, it is sin then it is something to turn away from this is good, but if not there would be nothing to repent of, and you can still do it.

That understanding lasted for a while and I still felt like I wasn't saved through those months. still dealing with the original problem which hasn't fully gone away. I was able to get by with the logic for a few months, until i prayed a prayer and realized after saying Amen that I had said the wrong thing, and I asked was I bound to this wrong thing. Obviously not, but then I remembered the original prayer and realized well, was I bound then by my intentions. If so should I be keeping the original prayer. I intended a different meaning for that prayer, as though I was going to give these things up forever, and then changed the meaning after the fact. After some turmoil for a while I prayed to God, that I intended to move passed this, if there was something he wanted to let me know He would need to tell me. Not long after maybe a few days, I was sitting preparing to read my Bible, and I remembered a sermon was about to be on in Ecclesiastes, I know what verse was in there, Still I thought who knows maybe God wants to tell me something. So I turned on the radio and sure enough he was preaching on vows. I tuned in right at the right moment. He was talking about how you should keep your vows unless they are sinful. I tried not to think much of it, I've have thought this thought before when listening to the radio, that Maybe God wants to tell me something. It was something I had been doing recently, after March. They repeated the sermon the next week on the same day. I can't help but think He's trying to tell me something like figure it out or keep. Every time I think of leaving it behind the thing in Hebrew 10 keeps coming into my mind. and randomly a sermon popped up on my phone for it as well.

I had become determined Yesterday to leave it all behind and move-on after reading this article
Making Deals With God: Why It Will NOT Prevent Your Scrupulous Fears

However, after telling someone close to me about my decision which I was excited, they hampered my excitement when they noted the author don't really offer any biblical reason for their conclusion. And I've been finding in all the answers I've seen online this is the case. My plan had been to turn from this tomorrow to leave it behind, but I can't help but wonder am I defying God, am I intentionally going to live a life in sin. Or am I just being stupid and not letting myself move-on
 
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The best thing that you can do for any form of OCD is
  1. get under the care of a psychiatrist &
  2. attend a church that is good at dealing with mental illnesses.
The Church & Mental Illness...

Arguing with the OCD is futile, and takes your eyes off of Jesus.
 
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I still felt like I wasn't saved through those months. still dealing with the original problem which hasn't fully gone away. I was able to get by with the logic for a few months, until i prayed a prayer and realized after saying Amen that I had said the wrong thing,

There is no mention of your church, or of your involvement in that church.
Nor is there any mention of your doctor or therapist.

I've quoted you saying, ' you felt you were not saved.'
Salvation has nothing to do with your feeling saved or not saved.
what is it that you believe makes you a Christian?
How does that relate to the many promises from Jesus that he will not abandon, let go, or leave us?

It is Jesus who saved you and it is Jesus who will keep you.

Please talk to your minister about what you believe or find a church and attend it Every week, get involved with it.

OCD, again please see your doctor, in the mean time read:-
International OCD Foundation | 25 Tips for Succeeding in Your OCD Treatment

note that it tells you that you are responcible for taking any meds or following any procedurs to help you cope with your ocd.
Read it, discuss it with your doctor, your parents, any close friends and your pastor.
They need the information to help you help yourself.
 
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There is no mention of your church, or of your involvement in that church.
Nor is there any mention of your doctor or therapist.

I've quoted you saying, ' you felt you were not saved.'
Salvation has nothing to do with your feeling saved or not saved.
what is it that you believe makes you a Christian?
How does that relate to the many promises from Jesus that he will not abandon, let go, or leave us?

It is Jesus who saved you and it is Jesus who will keep you.

Please talk to your minister about what you believe or find a church and attend it Every week, get involved with it.

OCD, again please see your doctor, in the mean time read:-
International OCD Foundation | 25 Tips for Succeeding in Your OCD Treatment

note that it tells you that you are responcible for taking any meds or following any procedurs to help you cope with your ocd.
Read it, discuss it with your doctor, your parents, any close friends and your pastor.
They need the information to help you help yourself.



I took your advice that same night, spoke to a Family member that has help me through my issue quite a bit, or at least started the process. I appreciate you all taking the time to read my post. It may sound funny but as soon as I started to trying to fix the issue, was also the first time I was able to pray well in a while. When your stuck in your head its easy to make a mountain out of a molehill. I'm also going to stop looking at replies for now. Its just another trigger that I know will lead into another spiral. I'm also going to look thoroughly at the link you subjected
 
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I took your advice that same night, spoke to a Family member that has help me through my issue quite a bit, or at least started the process. I appreciate you all taking the time to read my post. It may sound funny but as soon as I started to trying to fix the issue, was also the first time I was able to pray well in a while. When your stuck in your head its easy to make a mountain out of a molehill. I'm also going to stop looking at replies for now. Its just another trigger that I know will lead into another spiral. I'm also going to look thoroughly at the link you subjected

thank you for replying.

I've been in work situations where someone I was responcible for had a technical problem, that I understood nothing about, yet the act of discribing that problem somehow cleared there mind and enabled them to resolve the issue.

It is worth remenbering that you can use this forum to rant about an issue, to explain a problem just to help clear your mind.
Sometines the replies will help, sometimsthey won't.
 
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I took your advice that same night, spoke to a Family member that has help me through my issue quite a bit, or at least started the process. I appreciate you all taking the time to read my post. It may sound funny but as soon as I started to trying to fix the issue, was also the first time I was able to pray well in a while. When your stuck in your head its easy to make a mountain out of a molehill. I'm also going to stop looking at replies for now. Its just another trigger that I know will lead into another spiral. I'm also going to look thoroughly at the link you subjected
I read your post, and it sounds VERY much like the way we OCDers process things. Intense over-analysis, paralyzing confusion and guilt, all that. I don't know if you're looking at replies anymore, but please do consider getting treatment from an OCD specialist who knows how to use CBT and ERP therapies to treat OCD. I'd also like to suggest a few resources that I've found helpful:
OCD & CHRISTIANITY – CHRISTIANITY
Facebook Groups (FB support group; lots of members with OCD, specifically religious OCD)
I've had scrupulosity for many years, so I'm more than happy to discuss it further or suggest more resources if you'd like.
 
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