OCD Question

[Veritas]

Two of my sister's 7 kids has been diagnosed with OCD. The older girl, 17 has the obsessive thoughts type and is on meds (don't know which one). The younger boy, 14 has the more compulsive, ritualistic type and is also on meds.

My question has to do with the boy. He is very immature for one thing, but it's his bad behavior that is the most annoying. He is extremely rude and disrespectful. This past weekend he referred to his father as "Hitler" and "OCD crackhead" in his presence. He's sneaky, manipulative and basically controls everyone in the family. I think the other kids are afraid of him. Now, I understand that some of his behavior is attributed to his supposed OCD, but I'm of the opinion that bad behavior needs to be corrected and have consequences regardless of the cause. Unfortunately, his parents do nothing and he gets away with everything because they chock it up to his OCD. To me and other's in the family, it looks as if he using his "condition" as an excuse to behave badly.

For any of you that suffer from OCD especially the type my nephew has, do you believe it is still important to maintain standards of behavior for this child and hold him to account when he is rude and disrepectful? Is is possible that structure and discipline can actually help him overcome some of his issues? If he is on meds, why aren't they working?

Thanks!

 

[keryakos]

It must be discerned between what is compulsive and what is intentional
the way to do that is to see his reaction or ask him how he feels after he commits bad behavior ...if it is compulsive then he has little to no control he will reget doing it or show some type of remorse or anxiety about having done it ,,, if this doesnt occur you can be sure its likely intentional and he needs to be punished

Im going to be frank with you about meds ...they work half the time in half the people that take them for half the symptoms ...And due to a possible suicide risk i would never place a 14 boy on these types of drugs there is no way in hades i would do that ,,,and i am speaking as one diagnosed with OCD ,,

Structure and discipline with understanding and compassion is what the boy needs ,,,in regards to fostering positive behavior

 

[Veritas]

It must be discerned between what is compulsive and what is intentional
the way to do that is to see his reaction or ask him how he feels after he commits bad behavior ...if it is compulsive then he has little to no control he will reget doing it or show some type of remorse or anxiety about having done it ,,, if this doesnt occur you can be sure its likely intentional and he needs to be punished

Interesting. When he called his dad Hitler and OCD crackhead, I was flabbergasted and said I couldn't believe he was going to get away with it. Not only did the kid not express any kind of remorse or apologize, he was even more defiant. As to the meds question, why aren't they working? He's been on them for several months and his behaviors haven't really improved that much.

 

[keryakos]

Interesting. When he called his dad Hitler and OCD crackhead, I was flabbergasted and said I couldn't believe he was going to get away with it. Not only did the kid not express any kind of remorse or apologize, he was even more defiant. As to the meds question, why aren't they working? He's been on them for several months and his behaviors haven't really improved that much.

In response to your last post my answer is that he needs to be corrected because obviously his behavior has nothing to do with OCD ...If he were my son he would be in a great deal of trouble and i can promise you he would think twice before doing it again ..

The reason that his meds are not working is because no one is getting to the root cause of his OCD ..There is a misconception that OCD is simply caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain ..the truth is just like headaches have different causes so do mental illness's .Dr Mark Hyman MD treated a six year old girl ..who was diagnosed with OCD ect ..it turns out that part of the problem was that she had a yeast infection in her gut which when she ate loads of sugar used the sugar to produce alchohol which entered her blood stream and caused her to act like a crazy person ..the point is other doctors had her on several different drugs and they were MISSING THE ACTUAL CAUSE ,,


Andy

 

[Veritas]

In response to your last post my answer is that he needs to be corrected because obviously his behavior has nothing to do with OCD ...If he were my son he would be in a great deal of trouble and i can promise you he would think twice before doing it again ..

The reason that his meds are not working is because no one is getting to the root cause of his OCD ..There is a misconception that OCD is simply caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain ..the truth is just like headaches have different causes so do mental illness's .Dr Mark Hyman MD treated a six year old girl ..who was diagnosed with OCD ect ..it turns out that part of the problem was that she had a yeast infection in her gut which when she ate loads of sugar used the sugar to produce alchohol which entered her blood stream and caused her to act like a crazy person ..the point is other doctors had her on several different drugs and they were MISSING THE ACTUAL CAUSE ,,


Andy

Funny you should mention this. I have been reading Hyman's Ultra Mind Solution book when I came across the gut issue. I don't know for sure if this is the case with my niece and nephew, but I do want to run it past my sister. I have to say though, they don't like to talk about any of this. It's like the elephant in the room that nobody is allowed to talk about. Sad really. I would also have to say that I think there is something in the family/church dynamic that may have contributed to this condition in 2 out of 7 kids. We have no family history of OCD but I don't rule out some chemical/organic problem that may be causing it. In my mind, OCD or not, the type of behavior displayed by my nephew is unacceptable. He is 14 and old enough to understand the necessity of respect and rules of decent behavior. His blaming it on OCD is just his way of controlling and manipulating other people. He already knows I won't tolerate it so he treats me nicer than others.

 

[keryakos]

Funny you should mention this. I have been reading Hyman's Ultra Mind Solution book when I came across the gut issue. I don't know for sure if this is the case with my niece and nephew, but I do want to run it past my sister. I have to say though, they don't like to talk about any of this. It's like the elephant in the room that nobody is allowed to talk about. Sad really. I would also have to say that I think there is something in the family/church dynamic that may have contributed to this condition in 2 out of 7 kids. We have no family history of OCD but I don't rule out some chemical/organic problem that may be causing it. In my mind, OCD or not, the type of behavior displayed by my nephew is unacceptable. He is 14 and old enough to understand the necessity of respect and rules of decent behavior. His blaming it on OCD is just his way of controlling and manipulating other people. He already knows I won't tolerate it so he treats me nicer than others.

We both agree that this is not OCD and that it is utterly unacceptable . I have OCD but when i act badly as an adult i can tell you that it is usually intentional .And may i say that it is unfortunate that the parents wish to ignore it as if it is going away on its own ..

 

[Caty]

I know we are not supposed to diagnose or anything but some kids that are ADD or ADHD are sometimes like that, maybe you could look into that, if it turns out not to be ocd.

 

[keryakos]

I know we are not supposed to diagnose or anything but some kids that are ADD or ADHD are sometimes like that, maybe you could look into that, if it turns out not to be ocd.

that is an excellent point ,,,,still when it is known that is trick knowing ..then it should be punished