Observation on Scientism Evolution

[Heartofsilver]

Part One- Observation on Scientism Evolution

When I was going to junior college I ended up taking an Anthropology class. Though I'm a Christian, I went in with an open mind. We started out by discussing how evolution is a theory, what a theory is, and how to get one. We discussed human and non-human primates, which had me come out with more questions than I did answers. We talked about culture and anatomy in the primate as well as the prehistoric world. We may have also talked about the big bang and carbon dating. I had questions and some of the answers only came to me by assumption from the instructor which she would kindly tell me that these are only educated guesses, but she currently couldn't show me any solid proof. So, as I continued to take this class I really started to think about the lack of proof; the missing links, and archeological excavations. I started to think about the proof that they are seeking through these excavations that may be damaged, destroyed, didn't get the chance to fossilize, or never existed at all. We also as a class got to observe primate and early human skulls. As I was observing them I saw that most of them had cast bone replacements, so most if not all of them were broken, pieced together, and some had become possibly inaccurate specimens, because of how much bone was actually missing, and how much casting was done to them. It could have been done by scientist's bias and guess. From the specimens that may have been more well preserved, I may have seen how primates evolved and how humans evolved, but I didn't see where humans came from primates. What I saw is that their evolution was separate. There may have been adaption and breeding of the same species, but not one species becoming another species. They also presented to us a photograph of a specimen that looked like it had a body more like a human, but the head of any ape. For all I know, they could have constructed that specimen themselves or the possibility of it being a bipedal ape species that had gone extinct. We also discussed the genome between humans and Bonobos being 1.3% of a difference. While what we also discussed in this class was varients in human DNA, that if even the base of a DNA strand had the slightest difference is a major difference. So, in seeing this much of a difference in our chromosomes it makes oceans of a difference to the point that we are not the same species. As for the big bang and carbon dating, we were not there, so we don't have a base of when everything was created and time began. It got me questioning how carbon dating or any method of dating would work under these circumstances. There are also many different dating methods including carbon dating methods that all come up with different results. So, there is no accurate way of dating specimens. At the end of my own observations throughout this class, I looked at the picture of an orangutan skeleton and that of a human's pretending that I had never heard of Scientism Evolution, and I saw two completely different specimen. So, my conclusion on this was that you have to have faith to believe in evolution from a Scientism standpoint and that evolution may exist, but not in the way it is being taught or expressed by it's believers that treat it like it's a religion.

Part Two- Varient in News Article

It recently came to my attention that a news article in "The Guardian" talked about an underwater excavation find of an Ancient Greek city that was dated back way before the time of Troy, and before the timing of mankind according to Scientism evolution. This quickly changed; however, where they said that all of these ruins were not made by people as thought previously, but by bacteria. Which this new claim didn't make any sense as I looked at thier findings of a stairway and a handcrafted table or column base. Was this the work of historians, scientists, and politicians trying to cover this up, because it was an infraction on their evolutionary timeline? So, when it comes to the world of science, history, and politics it has me wondering what is real? Though no dating can be accurate it's the action that they took on this find that truly sparked my interest.

Part Three- America's rise to communism?

I have heard how past rulers have used atheism to influence people to question or let go of their beliefs in the way that they teach evolution. They push their agendas towards communism to make their rule easier to follow by wiping away the influence of God or any diety. This isn't necessarily saying that the people will bow down and worship their new leader though the leader may like, but to have no god at all will still make their reign much easier for them to rule and rid of anyone who doesn't follow. I remember when I was sitting in a class in middle school when we had our first day of basic anthropology and origin of creation. She asked us how everything was made. When I raised my hand and replied "God, Jesus", she told me "no" to both answers. I was shocked and outraged by her answer. That year in school after we took this class that stated that everything came from the big bang theory and evolutionary theory there were almost no Christians left. I see that our science classes are having an influence on our country when it comes to them teaching this more like religion, rather than it being a science, a theory. When in high school, I looked back on my years in school and noticed that the pledge of a alligence was said daily in my elementary years and only said once my entire senior year in high school. I thought that our country separated Church and state by not teaching religion in school, but classrooms are being taught Scientism evolution like it is a religion or at least their believers are treating it like one even to the point of ridiculing others who do not believe in it as fact, but chose to have faith in a more Creationism viewpoint instead. None of this makes sense to me since we have been fighting Communism and dictatoriships this whole time. I'm guessing after time going by and us separating from England the government is seeing that the time is right for the sake of power, control, and greed. Please Pray for us all, if this all be true.

Scopes Trial
Scopes Trial - Wikipedia

Ancient Greece Variant Article
Underwater 'ruins' off Greek island created by bacteria millions of years ago

Darwinism Use In Communism
The Darwinian Foundation of Communism

NOTE: This link above is not meant to discriminate any people in anyway, it's for the use of example only. This thread isn't meant to slam anyones beliefs, but to share my observation on Scientism Evolution and what I might see happening to the United States.

 

[Tolworth John]

Can only suggest that you follow Answersingenesis, evolutionnewsandviews as well as wintery knight, coldcasechristianity and reasonablefaith.
For keeping upto date on the latest developments.

 

[Norbert L]

When I raised my hand and replied "God, Jesus", she told me "no" to both answers.

I believe that is the best explanation from what presently can be demonstrated and observed. We do know that mankind manipulates foods on a DNA level, that such a thing takes intelligent life to do and is done. We can visit labs or see films about the process needed to get the end result. As far as we can tell when it comes to the fossil record they don't reproduce at all because they're dead.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Can only suggest that you follow Answersingenesis, evolutionnewsandviews as well as wintery knight, coldcasechristianity and reasonablefaith.
For keeping upto date on the latest developments.

None of those are appropriate sources to keep yourself upto date with the latest developments in biology.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Part One- Observation on Scientism Evolution

When I was going to junior college I ended up taking an Anthropology class. Though I'm a Christian, I went in with an open mind. We started out by discussing how evolution is a theory, what a theory is, and how to get one. We discussed human and non-human primates, which had me come out with more questions than I did answers. We talked about culture and anatomy in the primate as well as the prehistoric world. We may have also talked about the big bang and carbon dating. I had questions and some of the answers only came to me by assumption from the instructor which she would kindly tell me that these are only educated guesses, but she currently couldn't show me any solid proof. So, as I continued to take this class I really started to think about the lack of proof; the missing links, and archeological excavations. I started to think about the proof that they are seeking through these excavations that may be damaged, destroyed, didn't get the chance to fossilize, or never existed at all. We also as a class got to observe primate and early human skulls. As I was observing them I saw that most of them had mask bone replacements, so most if not all of them were broken, pieced together, and some had become possibly inaccurate specimens, because of how much bone was actually missing, and how much masking was done to them. It could have been done by scientist's bias and guess. From the specimens that may have been more well preserved, I may have seen how primates evolved and how humans evolved, but I didn't see where humans came from primates. What I saw is that their evolution was separate. There may have been adaption and breeding of the same species, but not one species becoming another species. They also presented to us a photograph of a specimen that looked like it had a body more like a human, but the head of any ape. For all I know, they could have constructed that specimen themselves or the possibility of it being a bipedal ape species that had gone extinct. We also discussed the genome between humans and Bonobos being 1.3% of a difference. While what we also discussed in this class was varients in human DNA, that if even the base of a DNA strand had the slightest difference is a major difference. So, in seeing this much of a difference in our chromosomes it makes oceans of a difference to the point that we are not the same species. As for the big bang and carbon dating, we were not there, so we don't have a base of when everything was created and time began. It got me questioning how carbon dating or any method of dating would work under these circumstances. There are also many different dating methods including carbon dating methods that all come up with different results. So, there is no accurate way of dating specimens. At the end of my own observations throughout this class, I looked at the picture of an orangutan skeleton and that of a human's pretending that I had never heard of Scientism Evolution, and I saw two completely different specimen. So, my conclusion on this was that you have to have faith to believe in evolution from a Scientism standpoint and that evolution may exist, but not in the way it is being taught or expressed by it's believers that treat it like it's a religion.

Part Two- Varient in News Article

It recently came to my attention that a news article in "The Guardian" talked about an underwater excavation find of an Ancient Greek city that was dated back way before the time of Troy, and before the timing of mankind according to Scientism evolution. This quickly changed; however, where they said that all of these ruins were not made by people as thought previously, but by bacteria. Which this new claim didn't make any sense as I looked at thier findings of a stairway and a handcrafted table or column base. Was this the work of historians, scientists, and politicians trying to cover this up, because it was an infraction on their evolutionary timeline? So, when it comes to the world of science, history, and politics it has me wondering what is real? Though no dating can be accurate it's the action that they took on this find that truly sparked my interest.

Part Three- America's rise to communism?

I have heard how past rulers have used atheism to influence people to question or let go of their beliefs in the way that they teach evolution. They push their agendas towards communism to make their rule easier to follow by wiping away the influence of God or any diety. This isn't necessarily saying that the people will bow down and worship their new leader though the leader may like, but to have no god at all will still make their reign much easier for them to rule and rid of anyone who doesn't follow. I remember when I was sitting in a class in middle school when we had our first day of basic anthropology and origin of creation. She asked us how everything was made. When I raised my hand and replied "God, Jesus", she told me "no" to both answers. I was shocked and outraged by her answer. That year in school after we took this class that stated that everything came from the big bang theory and evolutionary theory there were almost no Christians left. I see that our science classes are having an influence on our country when it comes to them teaching this more like religion, rather than it being a science, a theory. When in high school, I looked back on my years in school and noticed that the pledge of a alligence was said daily in my elementary years and only said once my entire senior year in high school. I thought that our country separated Church and state by not teaching religion in school, but classrooms are being taught Scientism evolution like it is a religion or at least their believers are treating it like one even to the point of ridiculing others who do not believe in it as fact, but chose to have faith in a more Creationism viewpoint instead. None of this makes sense to me since we have been fighting Communism and dictatoriships this whole time. I'm guessing after time going by and us separating from England the government is seeing that the time is right for the sake of power, control, and greed. Please Pray for us all, if this all be true.

Scopes Trial
Scopes Trial - Wikipedia

Ancient Greece Variant Article
Underwater 'ruins' off Greek island created by bacteria millions of years ago

Darwinism Use In Communism
The Darwinian Foundation of Communism

NOTE: This link above is not meant to discriminate any people in anyway, it's for the use of example only. This thread isn't meant to slam anyones beliefs, but to share my observation on Scientism Evolution and what I might see happening to the United States.

There is so much nonsense here, that I don't even know where to begin...

I guess I'll just say: no, evolution theory isn't a communist plot by the baby-eating atheists.

 

[Jimmy D]

When I was going to junior college I ended up taking an Anthropology class. Though I'm a Christian, I went in with an open mind. We started out by discussing how evolution is a theory, what a theory is, and how to get one. We discussed human and non-human primates, which had me come out with more questions than I did answers. We talked about culture and anatomy in the primate as well as the prehistoric world. We may have also talked about the big bang and carbon dating. I had questions and some of the answers only came to me by assumption from the instructor which she would kindly tell me that these are only educated guesses, but she currently couldn't show me any solid proof. So, as I continued to take this class I really started to think about the lack of proof; the missing links, and archeological excavations. I started to think about the proof that they are seeking through these excavations that may be damaged, destroyed, didn't get the chance to fossilize, or never existed at all. We also as a class got to observe primate and early human skulls. As I was observing them I saw that most of them had mask bone replacements, so most if not all of them were broken, pieced together, and some had become possibly inaccurate specimens, because of how much bone was actually missing, and how much masking was done to them. It could have been done by scientist's bias and guess. From the specimens that may have been more well preserved, I may have seen how primates evolved and how humans evolved, but I didn't see where humans came from primates. What I saw is that their evolution was separate. There may have been adaption and breeding of the same species, but not one species becoming another species. They also presented to us a photograph of a specimen that looked like it had a body more like a human, but the head of any ape. For all I know, they could have constructed that specimen themselves or the possibility of it being a bipedal ape species that had gone extinct. We also discussed the genome between humans and Bonobos being 1.3% of a difference. While what we also discussed in this class was varients in human DNA, that if even the base of a DNA strand had the slightest difference is a major difference. So, in seeing this much of a difference in our chromosomes it makes oceans of a difference to the point that we are not the same species. As for the big bang and carbon dating, we were not there, so we don't have a base of when everything was created and time began. It got me questioning how carbon dating or any method of dating would work under these circumstances. There are also many different dating methods including carbon dating methods that all come up with different results. So, there is no accurate way of dating specimens. At the end of my own observations throughout this class, I looked at the picture of an orangutan skeleton and that of a human's pretending that I had never heard of Scientism Evolution, and I saw two completely different specimen. So, my conclusion on this was that you have to have faith to believe in evolution from a Scientism standpoint and that evolution may exist, but not in the way it is being taught or expressed by it's believers that treat it like it's a religion.

This wall of text only demonstrates that you don't really understand modern scientific methods.

If you wish to discuss any particular point you mentioned please choose one though.

It recently came to my attention that a news article in "The Guardian" talked about an underwater excavation find of an Ancient Greek city that was dated back way before the time of Troy, and before the timing of mankind according to Scientism evolution. This quickly changed; however, where they said that all of these ruins were not made by people as thought previously, but by bacteria. Which this new claim didn't make any sense as I looked at thier findings of a stairway and a handcrafted table or column base. Was this the work of historians, scientists, and politicians trying to cover this up, because it was an infraction on their evolutionary timeline? So, when it comes to the world of science, history, and politics it has me wondering what is real? Though no dating can be accurate it's the action that they took on this find that truly sparked my interest.

Ahh, a huge worldwide evolutionist conspiracy? Very poor.

Why is an ancient city an "infraction" of the evolutionary timeline anyway? Surely you aren't accepting the dating of these "ruins" after your previous rant against the accuracy of radiometric-dating?

I have heard how past rulers have used atheism to influence people to question or let go of their beliefs in the way that they teach evolution. They push their agendas towards communism to make their rule easier to follow by wiping away the influence of God or any diety. This isn't necessarily saying that the people will bow down and worship their new leader though the leader may like, but to have no god at all will still make their reign much easier for them to rule and rid of anyone who doesn't follow. I remember when I was sitting in a class in middle school when we had our first day of basic anthropology and origin of creation. She asked us how everything was made. When I raised my hand and replied "God, Jesus", she told me "no" to both answers. I was shocked and outraged by her answer. That year in school after we took this class that stated that everything came from the big bang theory and evolutionary theory there were almost no Christians left. I see that our science classes are having an influence on our country when it comes to them teaching this more like religion, rather than it being a science, a theory. When in high school, I looked back on my years in school and noticed that the pledge of a alligence was said daily in my elementary years and only said once my entire senior year in high school. I thought that our country separated Church and state by not teaching religion in school, but classrooms are being taught Scientism evolution like it is a religion or at least their believers are treating it like one even to the point of ridiculing others who do not believe in it as fact, but chose to have faith in a more Creationism viewpoint instead. None of this makes sense to me since we have been fighting Communism and dictatoriships this whole time. I'm guessing after time going by and us separating from England the government is seeing that the time is right for the sake of power, control, and greed. Please Pray for us all, if this all be true.

Don't you understand the difference between science and religion? Or biology and politics?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Though I'm a Christian, I went in with an open mind.

I ♥ that statement.

"these are only educated guesses, but she currently couldn't show me any solid proof."
"had become possibly inaccurate"
"It could have been done by scientist's bias and guess."
"For all I know, they could have constructed that specimen themselves"
"we were not there"
"there is no accurate way of dating specimens."

With respect, I question how open your mind is when your conclusions are that scientists are deceptive and/or ignorant.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. Look no further than your OP for evidence.

Part One- Observation on Scientism Evolution

When I was going to junior college I ended up taking an Anthropology class. Though I'm a Christian, I went in with an open mind. We started out by discussing how evolution is a theory, what a theory is, and how to get one. We discussed human and non-human primates, which had me come out with more questions than I did answers. We talked about culture and anatomy in the primate as well as the prehistoric world. We may have also talked about the big bang and carbon dating. I had questions and some of the answers only came to me by assumption from the instructor which she would kindly tell me that these are only educated guesses, but she currently couldn't show me any solid proof. So, as I continued to take this class I really started to think about the lack of proof; the missing links, and archeological excavations. I started to think about the proof that they are seeking through these excavations that may be damaged, destroyed, didn't get the chance to fossilize, or never existed at all. We also as a class got to observe primate and early human skulls. As I was observing them I saw that most of them had mask bone replacements, so most if not all of them were broken, pieced together, and some had become possibly inaccurate specimens, because of how much bone was actually missing, and how much masking was done to them. It could have been done by scientist's bias and guess. From the specimens that may have been more well preserved, I may have seen how primates evolved and how humans evolved, but I didn't see where humans came from primates. What I saw is that their evolution was separate. There may have been adaption and breeding of the same species, but not one species becoming another species. They also presented to us a photograph of a specimen that looked like it had a body more like a human, but the head of any ape. For all I know, they could have constructed that specimen themselves or the possibility of it being a bipedal ape species that had gone extinct. We also discussed the genome between humans and Bonobos being 1.3% of a difference. While what we also discussed in this class was varients in human DNA, that if even the base of a DNA strand had the slightest difference is a major difference. So, in seeing this much of a difference in our chromosomes it makes oceans of a difference to the point that we are not the same species. As for the big bang and carbon dating, we were not there, so we don't have a base of when everything was created and time began. It got me questioning how carbon dating or any method of dating would work under these circumstances. There are also many different dating methods including carbon dating methods that all come up with different results. So, there is no accurate way of dating specimens. At the end of my own observations throughout this class, I looked at the picture of an orangutan skeleton and that of a human's pretending that I had never heard of Scientism Evolution, and I saw two completely different specimen. So, my conclusion on this was that you have to have faith to believe in evolution from a Scientism standpoint and that evolution may exist, but not in the way it is being taught or expressed by it's believers that treat it like it's a religion.

Part Two- Varient in News Article

It recently came to my attention that a news article in "The Guardian" talked about an underwater excavation find of an Ancient Greek city that was dated back way before the time of Troy, and before the timing of mankind according to Scientism evolution. This quickly changed; however, where they said that all of these ruins were not made by people as thought previously, but by bacteria. Which this new claim didn't make any sense as I looked at thier findings of a stairway and a handcrafted table or column base. Was this the work of historians, scientists, and politicians trying to cover this up, because it was an infraction on their evolutionary timeline? So, when it comes to the world of science, history, and politics it has me wondering what is real? Though no dating can be accurate it's the action that they took on this find that truly sparked my interest.

Part Three- America's rise to communism?

I have heard how past rulers have used atheism to influence people to question or let go of their beliefs in the way that they teach evolution. They push their agendas towards communism to make their rule easier to follow by wiping away the influence of God or any diety. This isn't necessarily saying that the people will bow down and worship their new leader though the leader may like, but to have no god at all will still make their reign much easier for them to rule and rid of anyone who doesn't follow. I remember when I was sitting in a class in middle school when we had our first day of basic anthropology and origin of creation. She asked us how everything was made. When I raised my hand and replied "God, Jesus", she told me "no" to both answers. I was shocked and outraged by her answer. That year in school after we took this class that stated that everything came from the big bang theory and evolutionary theory there were almost no Christians left. I see that our science classes are having an influence on our country when it comes to them teaching this more like religion, rather than it being a science, a theory. When in high school, I looked back on my years in school and noticed that the pledge of a alligence was said daily in my elementary years and only said once my entire senior year in high school. I thought that our country separated Church and state by not teaching religion in school, but classrooms are being taught Scientism evolution like it is a religion or at least their believers are treating it like one even to the point of ridiculing others who do not believe in it as fact, but chose to have faith in a more Creationism viewpoint instead. None of this makes sense to me since we have been fighting Communism and dictatoriships this whole time. I'm guessing after time going by and us separating from England the government is seeing that the time is right for the sake of power, control, and greed. Please Pray for us all, if this all be true.

Scopes Trial
Scopes Trial - Wikipedia

Ancient Greece Variant Article
Underwater 'ruins' off Greek island created by bacteria millions of years ago

Darwinism Use In Communism
The Darwinian Foundation of Communism

NOTE: This link above is not meant to discriminate any people in anyway, it's for the use of example only. This thread isn't meant to slam anyones beliefs, but to share my observation on Scientism Evolution and what I might see happening to the United States.

 

[Sanoy]

It's not really communism. The suspicion you are likely developing is over what is called metaphysical naturalism. It has crept into methodological naturalism (science). Even so there will never be anything but natural theories in science. Science is the study of the natural world. As such they will only give natural explanations..for any and everything. No matter how compelling or necessary God will never play a part in any scientific theory.

 

[Tolworth John]

None of those are appropriate sources to keep yourself upto date with the latest developments in biology.

Whether they do or whether they don't I don't know.

One thing I do know is if evidence for evoulition was ever found.
Then there would be no shortage of people wanting to debate Ken Ham etc.

 

[HitchSlap]

Whether they do or whether they don't I don't know.

One thing I do know is if evidence for evoulition was ever found.
Then there would be no shortage of people wanting to debate Ken Ham etc.

Much like there should be no shortage of neurosurgeons wanting to debate second graders on brain surgery?

Why would any serious academic want to waste time arguing the merits of science with anyone who built a big wooden box for a roadside attraction?! Reality is unfazed by debate.

 

[Cearbhall]

Scientism...?

This wall of text only demonstrates that you don't really understand modern scientific methods.

Yes, this seems to be one of those fun "I took Anthro 101 and wasn't very good at it, but I decided the problem was that I know better than my professor" stories. Complete with the complaint that the professor didn't spend enough class time trying to convince one student that basic scientific concepts are real. That's always my favorite part of the story, personally.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

.. No matter how compelling or necessary God will never play a part in any scientific theory.

Unless God is investigated as a physical phenomenon - for example, as an imaginative cultural meme...

 

[Tolworth John]

Much like there should be no shortage of neurosurgeons wanting to debate second graders on brain surgery?

Why would any serious academic want to waste time arguing the merits of science with anyone who built a big wooden box for a roadside attraction?! Reality is unfazed by debate.

Serious academics won't debate evolution/creation for the simplr reason there is no clear evidence for evolution.
They won't debate because they cannot show it is true.

Why the dismissive attitude over the ark encounter?
Can you show where they are wrong, where the bible says it didn't happen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Serious academics won't debate evolution/creation for the simplr reason there is no clear evidence for evolution.
They won't debate because they cannot show it is true.

Why the dismissive attitude over the ark encounter?
Can you show where they are wrong, where the bible says it didn't happen?

Wow!!

You have that backwards.

There is clear evidence for evolution and only for evolution.

And the Ark story was refuted long before the theory of evolution came along. Almost all of the sciences tell us that there never was a worldwide flood.

But before we do that, you really should try to learn what "evidence" is. Your opening sentence tells us that you do not understand the concept. Would you like to learn? We don't even need to discuss evolution or the flood story to do that.

 

[Sanoy]

Unless God is investigated as a physical phenomenon - for example, as an imaginative cultural meme...

All Science can do, by definition, is investigate God as a physical phenomenon. It's conclusions about God will always be based on its first premise in circularity.

 

[lesliedellow]

Serious academics won't debate evolution/creation for the simplr reason there is no clear evidence for evolution.

Todd's Blog: The truth about evolution

 

[lesliedellow]

All Science can do, by definition, is investigate God as a physical phenomenon. It's conclusions about God will always be based on its first premise in circularity.

Since science cannot investigate God, because he is not a physical thing, it can also draw no conclusions about God.

 

[HitchSlap]

Serious academics won't debate evolution/creation for the simplr reason there is no clear evidence for evolution.

Actually, it's only gotten clearer over the last 150 years. You have no excuse for why you're not familiar with the facts.

They won't debate because they cannot show it is true.

"They" won't debate, because there's nothing to debate. Watching a debate over what makes a better auto tire, square or round, would have more value. Reality is not determined with debate, only through the scientific method, of which ToE has multiple, independent lines of evidence. Creation has nothing, and if it weren't for a small minority of theists, it would fade into history. The millions of people who work in science the world over, are all blithely unaware that creationism exists as nothing more than a quaint myth in religious texts. That is to say, creationism or understanding it's claims, is unnecessary for science to progress.

Why the dismissive attitude over the ark encounter?

Because a silly attraction to fleece the faithful from their money. The attraction is unchanging, and will be dead within a few short years once everyone has been there once, IMO.

Can you show where they are wrong, where the bible says it didn't happen?

Sure; no global flood, no ark, no population bottleneck of eight people, all life evolves, universe is 13.72 billion years old, our earth is 4.5 billion years old...

BTW, can you show where the bible is right?

 

[pitabread]

Serious academics won't debate evolution/creation for the simplr reason there is no clear evidence for evolution.

They don't debate because it's a waste of time. Debate is basically a 'sport'; just entertainment for its audience. It's not a good mechanism for scientific inquiry or knowledge.

And the question of whether or not evolution is a valid science has long been settled. There is nothing to debate about.