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The tree is objective evidence that there are trees. It is NOT objective evidence for a god.....that's a subjective view....
Oh...and neither is it evidence for a 'cause'.....that's also a subjective view, no matter that it may be a view held by most people.....
Correct. It is objective evidence that there are trees. I would agree it is a subjective view that it is evidence for God. However, it doesn't mean that a tree is not evidence of God. The purpose of all forms of evidence is to discover reality. What pieces fit with what we view as reality according to our knowledge
Yes, but the OP specifically asked for OBJECTIVE evidence for a god......a tree don't cut it.....
No it actually says Objective evidence of God, but that is not here nor there. You can claim that the objective evidence is not supportive in your opinion of God and give your reasons. You can't say it is not objective evidence because a tree is objective evidence for many different things.
If it requires your opinion for a conclusion, then it's not objective....
Look....there simply is no objective evidence for a god....for that to be the case, we would have to witness the god itself....all of us, not just a select group who claim to be able to perceive things that the majority can't....all other evidence is simply CHOSEN by people to support whatever claim they are making, it is not objective evidence of the claim itself....
biggles biggles. You are one sharp cookie, I don't understand what you are not getting here. The conclusion is indeed subjective. The evidence is objective.
Ahhhhh, are you thinking that objective evidence means proof? It doesn't you know.
Look....there simply is no objective evidence for a god....for that to be the case, we would have to witness the god itself....all of us, not just a select group who claim to be able to perceive things that the majority can't....all other evidence is simply CHOSEN by people to support whatever claim they are making, it is not objective evidence of the claim itself....
That's like saying a car is objective evidence of a murder. Because the car exists, therefore murder.
I can think of somethings that I would take as objective evidence of god, even if I hadn't met him. For example, if Indiana Jones was a documentary and the ark of the covenant was a supernatural nazi blaster, I might consider that to be evidence that there was something to the Abrahamic religions.
No, it is in no way the same thing.
You dismiss actual evidence to hypothesize this?
What you fail to understand is that if you can make a claim stand for your God then everyone else can make a claim stand for their God because there is no evidence for any Gods.No, it is in no way the same thing.
How is the tree testable?
How would it be tested? ... and for what?
Sure a tree is objective. What about the tree points it to God and no other cause.
The OP asked for "Testable objective" evidence.
I didn't read where anyone said or asked how the tree would be tested, so I posed the question.
I think asking for testable evidence implies that the evidence admissable would be physical. While I agree that physical evidence is valid, I don't think it is the only kind of evidence that should be admissable in examining spiritual claims.
Just need to be careful that we don't presume naturalism in the search to defend naturalism.
I think asking for testable evidence implies that the evidence admissable would be physical. While I agree that physical evidence is valid, I don't think it is the only kind of evidence that should be admissable in examining spiritual claims.
Just need to be careful that we don't presume naturalism in the search to defend naturalism.
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