Objections to the big bang?

[philadiddle]

If you have any objections to the big bang theory please post them here. Note, this is a christians only section so you should assume that the other people here who do accept the big bang believe that God made everything through it.

Your objections can be either theological or scientific, but please just name your #1 objection to it.

 

[Look Up]

Assuming this is not a kind of Hundred Flowers campaign, while projections backward from red shift may imply Big Bang, speculation runs rather freely in the first ten-to-the-minus-large-number second of material existence according to the Theory as if "we don't know" would be more honest than "it surely happened this way." If this seems a minor difference to some, in my view the former gives more intellectual room for theistic creation than the latter. Mystery admitted allows for alternative mystery proposed. Faith in infinite regression of naturalistic causes, on the other hand, marginalizes the Supernatural, apparently in the minds of many into oblivion. (But otherwise hats off, in my view, to those who take Supernatural causality seriously.)

 

[philadiddle]

Assuming this is not a kind of Hundred Flowers campaign, while projections backward from red shift may imply Big Bang, speculation runs rather freely in the first ten-to-the-minus-large-number second of material existence according to the Theory as if "we don't know" would be more honest than "it surely happened this way." If this seems a minor difference to some, in my view the former gives more intellectual room for theistic creation than the latter. Mystery admitted allows for alternative mystery proposed. Faith in infinite regression of naturalistic causes, on the other hand, marginalizes the Supernatural, apparently in the minds of many into oblivion. (But otherwise hats off, in my view, to those who take Supernatural causality seriously.)

Soooooo......what's your objection to the big bang theory?

 

[samaus12345]

Big bang implies two things- 13.75 Billion years (could wake up tomorrow and its changed a billion or two in 24 hours) and, this is vital -NO CAUSATION, NO CREATOR, NO SUPERNATURAL BEING. It is the atheists timeline and goes hand in hand with evolution. Deep time is necessary to fool people that given enough time fairytales happen (inorganic matter turns into prokaryote, prokaryote turns into eukaryote, eukaryote "evolves" into fish, fish has down syndrome babies (gene duplication) that then "evolve" into plant/animals (birds and land dwelling) and human beings.

Duane Gish- "Its been said that helium is an odourless tasteless gas, that given sufficient time turns into people".

 

[NGC 6712]

Big bang implies two things- 13.75 Billion years (could wake up tomorrow and its changed a billion or two in 24 hours) and, this is vital -NO CAUSATION, NO CREATOR, NO SUPERNATURAL BEING. It is the atheists timeline and goes hand in hand with evolution. Deep time is necessary to fool people that given enough time fairytales happen (inorganic matter turns into prokaryote, prokaryote turns into eukaryote, eukaryote "evolves" into fish, fish has down syndrome babies (gene duplication) that then "evolve" into plant/animals (birds and land dwelling) and human beings.

15 years ago you might have had a point - but it would take something extraordinary to change the 13.75 billion figure these days. We are out of the first significant figure cosmology these days.

The Big Bang Theory really says nothing either way about creation. Yes, people conflate the two (on both sides of the Cre/Evo debate) but the theory itself in a scientific sense does not address this.

Simply put - the Big Bang Theory addresses the observations of an expanding universe, the abundances of the light elements and the presence of the cosmic microwave background. There are subsequent observations that have backed up the initial evidence that the universe was once in a hot dense state.

 

[samaus12345]

Dark matter, dark energy, black holes etc are fairytales needed to prop up the bigger fairytale the "big bang".

www youtube com/watch?v=MGxiyG9BPR4

 

[NGC 6712]

Dark matter, dark energy, black holes etc are fairytales needed to prop up the bigger fairytale the "big bang".

No they are not. You want that to be the case based upon your preconceived worldview but that is all that is.

They are based upon observation.

 

[samaus12345]

Please direct me to a good physics literature database. I can only find one high speed physics experiments literature database and each article costs $$$. What do you think of aether?

 

[NGC 6712]

Please direct me to a good physics literature database. I can only find one high speed physics experiments literature database and each article costs $$$. What do you think of aether?

Go to arxiv.org - but the papers are technical in nature. Otherwise use Wikipedia - the basic science pages on there tend to be excellent for the most part.

Aether as in what sense of the word?

 

[samaus12345]

Yah thats the website ive got but full articles cost $$$. Aether as in a medium in "space".

 

[NGC 6712]

Yah thats the website ive got but full articles cost $$$. Aether as in a medium in "space".

Huh? arxiv.org is free. Anything posted there is freely available. Now if you follow a link to the actual published journal version then that is usually not free - I get them for free but through my university accounts.

No - there is no aether in that sense.

 

[freezerman2000]

Huh? arxiv.org is free. Anything posted there is freely available. Now if you follow a link to the actual published journal version then that is usually not free - I get them for free but through my university accounts.

No - there is no aether in that sense.

Aether is an archaic term,used before we knew what space is comprised of.
Even my spell checker does not recognize the word.

 

[samaus12345]

What is space comprised of?

 

[freezerman2000]

I have absolutely no problem with the big bang...
For me, it is part of the Creation process...it started somehow, the bang is the most plausible event that kick started the entire process.

 

[gluadys]

Big bang implies . . . and, this is vital -NO CAUSATION, NO CREATOR, NO SUPERNATURAL BEING.

Duane Gish- "Its been said that helium is an odourless tasteless gas, that given sufficient time turns into people".

This is where you and Duane Gish are both in error.

Big Bang implies no such thing.

In fact, Big Bang theory was first suggested by a theist.
Georges Lemaître - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And it was rejected by atheist physicist Fred Hoyle BECAUSE it might give a foothold to the possibility of God's hand in the beginning. Hoyle proposed his own version of an eternal "steady-state" universe to avoid any suggestion of creation.

People who think Big Bang theory is opposed to belief in creation just don't know their history.

 

[samaus12345]

Lawrence Krauss- "A universe from nothing". Stephen Hawing "Because there is such a law as gravity the universe can, and will create itself from nothing". Big bang is the atheists creation story to avoid supernatural creator/accountability.

 

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Lawrence Krauss- "A universe from nothing". Stephen Hawing "Because there is such a law as gravity the universe can, and will create itself from nothing". Big bang is the atheists creation story to avoid supernatural creator/accountability.

But that is technically extending the Big Bang Theory to something more. By the way Krauss is a friend of mine, I know Hawking but wouldn't call him a riend.

 

[freezerman2000]

What is space comprised of?

It's NOT "aether".

Read this and learn..It's the best and easiest to understand without being to simplistic article I could find.
Density of Outer Space

 

[NGC 6712]

It's NOT "aether".

Read this and learn..It's the best and easiest to understand without being to simplistic article I could find.
Density of Outer Space

His question was more toward what comprises space itself - not the constituents in space.

I think he was looking for an answer like background of quantum fields, virtual particles and extrapolating down to a quantum foam of spacetime itself.

 

[freezerman2000]

I was talking about the usage of the term "Aether"..
It's reminiscent of the time that had men thinking there were only four elements..Earth, water, air and fire.