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Fatolia

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Because obesity is a topic that hasn't been discussed properly. Drugs and alcohol are easy topics because "Christians" typically are good at avoiding those things. Obesity, however, is something that strikes much closer to home. We shouldn't be afraid of standing up to the issue.
 
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I'm not saying we should be afraid to stand up to the issue - I'm just saying that we need to be careful about what we are saying. There are alot of people on CF's who have alot of issues with weight and posts like these are probably not going to help them. I understand where you are coming from but I think some of what has been said is not helpful. None of this is a dig at you more at the people who seem to be slightly insensitive!!!
 
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There is alot of ignorance on this subject. There are many reasons for being overweight, and not alot of them have to do with suitability for marriage or raising children at all.

We live in a world looking for deep spiritual answers, not shallow ignorance.
 
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This thread has really hit home and quite honestly some people here are completely ignorant.

I've been overweight my entire life. I was teased as a child for it. I was rejected by men because of it (thank goodness not all think a like). I've been excluded even from church functions because of it.

My home life was bad since my birth. It was full of anger, fear, uncertainty, hatred. My comfort was food. I didn't have anything else. No one wanted to be friends with me because I was Elizabeth the Elephant. Looking back at pictures, I think they were insane for calling me that because I was 10lb heavier then them, max.

It's called depression. Many people suffer from it and many turn to food as comfort. Yeah, go ahead and keep telling me I'm a bad steward of my body. Tell me that when your father dies, your mother disowns you and your boyfriend breaks up with you in less then two week and you have no one to turn to except for food.

If people had cared... if people looked past my physical appearance, maybe I wouldn't had to turn to food all the time. I could lose 100 lbs and still not be thin because I have a wide bone structure for a female.

So stop being so judgemental.
 
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I love working out and taking care of myself. Naturally, this does not allow me to be attracted to people that live very different lifestyles. For me it would feel like punishment if i had to daily watch someone eat the wrong things over and over and over. I would rather enjoy someone that lives the same as i do.

On the moral side of the issue,,,
If your are obese cause you're a glutton then you are sinning. The Bible doesn't make exception for eating disorders.
 
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Lizzi4Christ said:
It's called depression. Many people suffer from it and many turn to food as comfort. Yeah, go ahead and keep telling me I'm a bad steward of my body. Tell me that when your father dies, your mother disowns you and your boyfriend breaks up with you in less then two week and you have no one to turn to except for food.

If people had cared... if people looked past my physical appearance, maybe I wouldn't had to turn to food all the time....

I'm sorry all that has happened to you. God wants us to rely on him in our dark times, not use food as a temporary escape. In that case, it would be a very similar thing to an alcohol addiction...because many people use it to escape life's problems.
 
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much of this thread made me go into peels of laughter... and some of it made me cry...

i laughed because i think of "breakfast"... eggs.. pancakes. french toast. bagels. english muffins. jelly. syrup. butter. ham. sausage. bacon. hash browns. home fries. fried taters. lol!! and i should feed my children this?? for breakfast?? okay? no??? wait?? let's go to cereal?? lol!! where cereal is a carb?? a sugar that is a "quick energy" ?? with milk? milk is the only "good" thing there... lol!!! juice?? another good thing! but not filling enough to last my poor children till lunch! lol!! and they are in school. they HAVE to go till lunch!

we need a degree in food! all of us!! the united states has found out that the t gram is wrong wrong wrong.. and everyone is trying to beat down the obesity rate, when i am not sure it should have "changed" in the first place! lol! or maybe it should have, but they should have left the bread at no more than "4"... lol! i don't know!! aaaaarrrrrggggghhh!!!!!

i know that the united states didn't seem to have a problem with weight until the last 20 ??? years or so.. and gee, we have boomed in the world of computers, tv's, cable, remote controls, cars, scooters, boards... etc etc etc... every day there is a newer and better gadget to better aid us in impairing our privilege to move our bodies!!

and allergies are on the rise!!! yikes!! asthma is going out the wazoo in this area!! and what do they use to treat asthma??? they use steroids, after all others fail, that's what!! and what do we look like when we use our steroids??? FAT! and birth control pills??? well... we gain weight!! and anti depressants??? we gain weight!! and recovery from drug and alcohol and ... cigarrettes??? we gain weight!!

i am not trying to excuse those of us that are overweight.. (me) i have no excuse... i know also that in a way, it is not funny to a single person, because men take a woman's weight so serously.. it's the proof of some inner ultimate test to a man whether a woman can control her weight... just like we women have our own secret ultimate tests for men...

but after all that goes on in this world, and what you "could" marry, verses what you "do" marry, whether a lady is overweight or not is petty--in my opinion only. and to actually entertain the idea that the woman would be inadequate and unable to properly raise children correctly is hysterical and ludicrous, again in my opinion... but it must not just be in my opinion, but also in the hands of the state and federal authorities... i have never ever seen a couple get turned down for foster care, custody, nor adoption because the female was too heavy for the current standards of shallowness. and really really really obese people?? they don't apply for children! they don't even go out in public! because they have a sickness! they are to be treated, prayed for, gentle with! not told to get up! lol! all of us, no exception, have major sins in our lives, that are no better nor worse than debauchery! just because our sin is not a big deal in our eyes, therefore it makes us hard to repent, doesn't for one second mean it is not a big deal to God! lol!

i look at my history... when i was drinking and druggin, i was unable to take care of my children. and that sickens me. i am disgusted with myself. the hardest person to impress upon to forgive me, is me. when i thought my personality was rooted in my sexuality, i was unable to properly show my children true and lasting positive and ethical morals. and i am dizzy with how stupid i was.
and i weighed 100 lbs on a 5 foot 1/2 inch frame. i shake with how much i hurt inside, at how collossally stupid i was at making good decisions for my kids.
and now?? i am not drinking, drugging, nor do i think me being well liked is all based on how much i put out. except for 1 rebellious child of 8 children who sees me now, and her bitterness towards our past and my hurts to her cause her to scream "hypocrit" ... my children are doing great. they know i love them. they know i take care of them. they know i am stable, and safe and sold out for them. and i am "obese." i am the same height. w/165 lbs.
 
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I don't understand what makes people think that because someone is skinny- they have good eating habits or that they would be a good parent.
I would be apprehensive of someone who would just call out people who are fat about eating habits, and not skinny people too. I would understand that to mean that the person is just very concerned about outward appearances and not what is going on inside. That's not the kind of person I would want to be involved with in anycase, because it shows me that the home could be in a host of jumbled disorder, but as long as it "looks good on the outside" it is fine to them.
The topic being discussed is not- "how to avoid passing down harmful habits to our kids" which would include ALL of us, but it's called obesity, it has singled a certain sect out...what in the world are people to think?

Im pretty offended that the OP stated his concerns in this way. As if obese people are the only ones who may not eat properly AND to top it all off, insinuate that they would not take care of their kids... my gosh!! I think (My fiance is a big, guy) that my FH would probably be a better parent than I am when it comes to what the kids eat etc. He knows it is like to be overweight and ridiculed. The last thing he would want is for his flesh and blood to grow up in the same way.
To insinuate that only an obese woman could pass on low self esteem, poor eating habits, or disease to a child is just ludicrous.
Are you concerned about the things a skinny woman could pass down to your child?
 
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Tuffguy said:
I love working out and taking care of myself. Naturally, this does not allow me to be attracted to people that live very different lifestyles. For me it would feel like punishment if i had to daily watch someone eat the wrong things over and over and over. I would rather enjoy someone that lives the same as i do.

On the moral side of the issue,,,
If your are obese cause you're a glutton then you are sinning. The Bible doesn't make exception for eating disorders.

:eek: I...I don't know how to respond to this. I just don't. With a quote on vanity? Pride? Loving those who need love despite their situation? So instead, I'll just write what I was going to say anyways, and hope.

First off, wieght is really not the issue...really. I know women whowas a size 12, 5'5, and 190 lbs...and then someone who is a size 22, 5'2, and 210. It's different body make-ups, bone structures, muscle masses, etc, that make up the difference, it seems. And size can be a different issue too...some people are thin at size 9, others at size 1, depending on, again, muscle, bone structure, hieght, width of shoulders, etc, etc.

But if healthy or unhealthy habits are the issue...well, then, take a look at how a person eats, how they act, how they treat food, how they treat others with weight and eating issues, etc. For example: Someone who actually takes seriously judgements based on appearance. Or someone who assumes everyone woman who is over a size 13 is lazy and eats badly. Or who assumes any girl who is thin has healthy eating habits: These are all habits that are intertwined with wieght and eating, and suitability for a mate.

It's not as easy, in the real world, as "food in must equal food out".

Many women are eating like this...and yet not thin. They are active, they are healthy, but they are stocky or curvy. So what? Their eating habits are good, they are active, they are not caught up on their looks, they probably are pretty, and they don't judge so much.

These women were often taller and/or broader as children, but also active for a girl (since, hey, they had the stanima and strength:p ) and healthy eaters. They grow up into...you guessed it...curvy, active, healthy women. The active size 13-18's unite!

(the same goes for men, although I guess the size would be 34 waist to 40 waist instead:) , and without the curvy part)

However, there is a problem with overeating in the Western world...and just as bad, eating just enough to not gain wieght, but eating foods that are primarly low in the area of nutrition. But men and women seem to be equally falling to the disaster of having diets composed mainly of junk food. And on both sides, there is more at work than just the individual...there are so many sociological and psychological issues that go into the love of the bad and the hatred of the natural and good foods. A lifestyle change to eating more plant-based and less-over-processed foods may not bring drastic or quick wieght changes, but it will bring a healthier life overall.

And of course, there are the other issues of weight that factor in-for instance, does a person an illness that prevents them from being active, or that slows down their ability to burn fat? They still need to eat...and to get enough nutrients, they may need to eat more than they can burn easily. Does a person have a very bad emotional state that needs loving attention and care, not rudeness and judgement?

I would say that better indicators of a good parenting skills are:
-Does the person eat primarly a good variety of healthy foods, with indulegnces that are not full of guilt for "being bad", and stay active, regardless of being skinny, thin, curvy, stocky, or larger?
-Does the person refrain from making sweeping judgements?
-Does the person realize that healthy bodies can come in a variety of sizes?
-Does the person believe in loving and not judging?
-Is activity fun to them?
-Are activities of the mind fun to them?
-Do they refrain from worrying about food, and instead just eat well most of the time?
-Would they first rather love than judge?
 
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Lizzi4Christ said:
This thread has really hit home and quite honestly some people here are completely ignorant.

I've been overweight my entire life. I was teased as a child for it. I was rejected by men because of it (thank goodness not all think a like). I've been excluded even from church functions because of it.

My home life was bad since my birth. It was full of anger, fear, uncertainty, hatred. My comfort was food. I didn't have anything else. No one wanted to be friends with me because I was Elizabeth the Elephant. Looking back at pictures, I think they were insane for calling me that because I was 10lb heavier then them, max.

It's called depression. Many people suffer from it and many turn to food as comfort. Yeah, go ahead and keep telling me I'm a bad steward of my body. Tell me that when your father dies, your mother disowns you and your boyfriend breaks up with you in less then two week and you have no one to turn to except for food.

If people had cared... if people looked past my physical appearance, maybe I wouldn't had to turn to food all the time. I could lose 100 lbs and still not be thin because I have a wide bone structure for a female.

So stop being so judgemental.

Well said!!! i completely agree with what you are saying. I eat because of how my life was as a child - then I make myself sick because I feel guilty!!! Does this mean that I'm going to go to hell? Like Lizzie said - it's called Depression!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Why do we live in a world that is so body conscious - the media blasts us with images of what is acceptable, and people are condemned because they cant live up to it.
It's not just depression, there are many reasons. Some people are genetically predisposed that way, others have diseases and conditions that make them overweight. Okay, I'm not just talking about obesity but the whole image thing has gone too far, and some parts of the church have bought into it.
 
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captainjon said:
Why do we live in a world that is so body conscious - the media blasts us with images of what is acceptable, and people are condemned because they cant live up to it.
It's not just depression, there are many reasons. Some people are genetically predisposed that way, others have diseases and conditions that make them overweight. Okay, I'm not just talking about obesity but the whole image thing has gone too far, and some parts of the church have bought into it.

Jon makes a very good point - we are too preoccupied by body image!!! I am a person who is very preoccupied with body image but I have a disease/condition that I need to overcome!!! Why do we have such a preoccupation with this?
 
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I do not eat junk food/fast food (NEVER HAVE)

I do not eat breads/pastas/rice etc...(NEVER HAVE - medical reasons)

My Diet (3 meals a day) consists of Fruit, Vegetables and Meats...(all small portions)

During my elementary/primary school I was in a swimming squad (every morning 6 - 8am)

During Highschool I was in a basketball team (every morning 6-8am, every second evening 5-6pm)

During University I was a boxer (every 2nd day at a boxing gym for 3hrs)

Currently, as an employee I go to the gym every day for 1.5hrs doing Cardio and weights (always changing routine)

Yet I am 22lbs over what is considered my healthy weight range for my height (5'9) I do not gain, nor do I lose my 'rolls'... I have been overweight since childhood...

I'd love to see how you claim to know it all 'professionals' on obesity can explain me...
 
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