Obama support

[Libre]

I may have said it before, but I am sooooo glad for this thread - and the Democrat Safe House thread. Last night another board I am on was pretty stinking. Everyone dissing Obama, making cracks about Obama/Biden looking like Osama bin Laden - and worse. The Greek columns on the stage last night meant he was indeed from the synagogue of Satan. Good grief! Some are convinced he is the antichrist, is an undercover Muslim (they thought the New Yorker magazine cover was right on). I was so tired of them all, I told them so. Wouldn't be surprised to find myself banned today.

P

 

[GodrockDJ]

Fellow supporters, I need your help and thoughts. What do you say to your church friends and family who can't understand your support of Obama simply because of social issues? You throw every logical argument and economic reason at them but it doesn't matter - "LIFE should matter above all else. How can you support someone who supports abortion?!" And you're stuck in a quagmire that goes nowhere. I am pro-life and voted for Bush because I felt swayed, compelled, maybe even guilted into these arguments. Not anymore. What do you say?

 

[Libre]

I say, good for you. Conservative politics do not uplift the people. Only the rich and powerful. They have pandered to the religious right for votes. They have not delivered on their promises to them. And many working folks are worse off because they have voted against their pocket books in favor of values voting. And, like I said, the values issue is how the conservatives have sucker-punched us.

Here's a confession. I voted for Reagan once. My church was all for him, and I was not politically savvy. But NO MORE!

I don't know what to say to my Christian friends. I have poured out my heart, have explained how the programs of the progressives more closely mirror the commands of Christ, and they glaze over. Or attack me as supporting baby-killers. I was banned from a church for being a Democrat once. Darn those bumper stickers.....

One thing I tell them is that we can't expect those who do not have a covenant relationship with God, and the power of His Holy Spirit, to live like they do. I also tell them that abortion is legal and will remain that way. It has become legal precedent after these many years. Even the newest liberal Justice didn't vote against changing it, for that reason. And that the legal reason roe v wade is law is because the right of the woman has always overridden the unborn. Another legal point, and it's not going to change. To change it opens the door to a bunch of scary possibilities for all or us, especially women.

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[invisible trousers]

I call dibs for the election night schadenfreude thread.

 

[Bootstrap]

Fellow supporters, I need your help and thoughts. What do you say to your church friends and family who can't understand your support of Obama simply because of social issues? You throw every logical argument and economic reason at them but it doesn't matter - "LIFE should matter above all else. How can you support someone who supports abortion?!" And you're stuck in a quagmire that goes nowhere. I am pro-life and voted for Bush because I felt swayed, compelled, maybe even guilted into these arguments. Not anymore. What do you say?

I used to lobby for Right to Life. I finally decided I couldn't do that any more. Neither side is doing much to help women who decide to keep their kids - the pro-choicers don't offer them much of a choice, the pro-lifers don't offer them much of a life. Voting for presidents who are pro-life hasn't done anything to reverse the Roe v. Wade decision, and is unlikely to.

Meanwhile, saying that the only moral issues that matter are abortion and homosexuality has been a disaster. We've gotten comfortable with torture, wiretapping, government handouts to industry under questionable deals, our government is getting paralyzed by partisanship, our own partners overseas no longer trust us. We're going in debt to give handouts to the rich. We're fighting a war we should never have gotten into.

So there's two problems with the "abortion is the only issue that matters" approach:

1. Other things matter too.
2. Outlawing abortion doesn't seem likely, and helping unwed mothers is likely to save more lives.

Jonathan

 

[Libre]

Good answer. In addition, though, while there are as many lies by conservatives as there are issues, they continue to deny the facts. And they don't believe industry is given unfair advantages. Nor do they believe the war was wrong, or that health care is needed for all. And so on. Only the ordinary voter will turn this tide of partisanship. The conservatives just don't get it. But if they are successful in swaying middle America, well, it's too awful to imagine.

Pat

 

[[serious]]

Fellow supporters, I need your help and thoughts. What do you say to your church friends and family who can't understand your support of Obama simply because of social issues? You throw every logical argument and economic reason at them but it doesn't matter - "LIFE should matter above all else. How can you support someone who supports abortion?!" And you're stuck in a quagmire that goes nowhere. I am pro-life and voted for Bush because I felt swayed, compelled, maybe even guilted into these arguments. Not anymore. What do you say?

Well, the dems have started stressing the reduction of abortion through better pre and post natal health care and support programs. By making it easier to choose life, the dems may end up doing more to reduce the incidence of abortion than decades worth of trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.

 

[revanneosl]

The Democratic party has stressed the reduction of abortion through eduction and social services since the late 1980s. The abortion rate has declined steadily since the late 1980s.

 

[soblessed53]

I didn't know about this thread,because I didn't come to this forum,until a thread of mine was merged with one here about Obama saying the candidate's families are off-limits, but I pledge my vote to Barack Obama/Joe Biden!

 

[soblessed53]

I used to lobby for Right to Life. I finally decided I couldn't do that any more. Neither side is doing much to help women who decide to keep their kids - the pro-choicers don't offer them much of a choice, the pro-lifers don't offer them much of a life. Voting for presidents who are pro-life hasn't done anything to reverse the Roe v. Wade decision, and is unlikely to.

Meanwhile, saying that the only moral issues that matter are abortion and homosexuality has been a disaster. We've gotten comfortable with torture, wiretapping, government handouts to industry under questionable deals, our government is getting paralyzed by partisanship, our own partners overseas no longer trust us. We're going in debt to give handouts to the rich. We're fighting a war we should never have gotten into.

So there's two problems with the "abortion is the only issue that matters" approach:

1. Other things matter too.
2. Outlawing abortion doesn't seem likely, and helping unwed mothers is likely to save more lives.

Jonathan

Also, I just learned while listening to the talking heads after a night of the DNC that the Republican's helped pass Roe vs Wade,and supported it until the '80s when they decided to become the phony liars they are ,and claim a 'Pro-Life' platform!

 

[Speculative]

The Republican plan to reduce abortions has been a failure. Democrats for Life America has a real plan to reduce abortions through better education, economic conditions and access to health care.

The best way to reduce abortion is to reduce the demand for it.

 

[Libre]

Right. Just say No, and abstinence, neither one, work. They can be part of an overall educational system, but any one with hormones will not be able to always abstain.

 

[invisible trousers]

I'm beginning to think that the rope-a-dope express needs a 5 point harness

I didn't know about this thread,because I didn't come to this forum,until a thread of mine was merged with one here about Obama saying the candidate's families are off-limits, but I pledge my vote to Barack Obama/Joe Biden!

Coolio

 

[visionary]

This lady has a point.

Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience

Posted by Cheri Jacobus
May 5, 2008 at 5:35 pm


Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.

 

[Speculative]

This lady has a point.

Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience

Posted by Cheri Jacobus
May 5, 2008 at 5:35 pm


Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.

And the point is this:

In spite of all this experience, John McCain still lacks the judgment to reject the failed economic, social, and diplomatic (if you can even call it that) policies of George Bush. He lacks the courage to stand up to the ultra-right wing of the GOP, and he can't even properly vet and select a running mate.

It is quite obvious to even the most casual observer that McCain's touted experience has not provided him with the temperament and judgment to occupy the Oval Office. Barack Obama is still the superior candidate.

McCain has performed well in the Senate. He should stay there.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

Gooo Barack Obama!

 

[invisible trousers]

This lady has a point.

Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience

Posted by Cheri Jacobus
May 5, 2008 at 5:35 pm

No offense, but this is the "Obama support" thread, not the "Recycle worthless conservative talking points" thread.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

I am going to volunteer some of my time for the campaign of Barack Obama. I wonder what they will have me do?

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

I am going to volunteer some of my time for the campaign of Barack Obama. I wonder what they will have me do?

likely phonebanking, unless you have the time and willingness to go knock on some doors. depends on what state you are in, as well. in a safe state that isn't near any battlegrounds, you'll likely be asked to call into battlegrounds.

 

[AgapeBible]

I used to not like Obama because of his Muslim heritage. Then I learned more about him and learned he is a Christian and i heard him speak. He speaks intelligently, brilliantly, and has great ideas. He has a plan to help America. We need change or else our country will be ruined if we have more of Bush's policies. There is always a danger, whether we pick Obama or McCain, that they will abuse the power once they are in office. It is a risk you have to take, you can't predict which of the canditates will actually be the best president, who will actually keep his promises.