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Obama seeks broad government control over internet

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They do? That is news to me. Do you have evidence of this widespread practice of selectively modifying traffic speeds for different types of content?
As I pointed out earlier, if the objective is for all data packets to carry the exact same priority, then there is little need for extensive oversight.

It's not complicated ... unless you respond as HJ did that the internet already operates on different levels. (A true statement, btw.)
 
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As I pointed out earlier, if the objective is for all data packets to carry the exact same priority, then there is little need for extensive oversight.

Because as we all know, it's utterly inconceivable that a multi-billion dollar corporation would ever do something they weren't supposed to do, amirite?
 
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As I pointed out earlier, if the objective is for all data packets to carry the exact same priority, then there is little need for extensive oversight.
...which is why they're opposing, tooth and nail, any attempt to ensure that they have all data packets carry the same priority? The same reason they have puff pieces out on how giving certain content providers priority is a great idea?
 
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As I pointed out earlier, if the objective is for all data packets to carry the exact same priority, then there is little need for extensive oversight.

How does one ensure that all traffic receives the same priority without oversight? How does one ensure without regulation? By all means if there is a simpler solution point it out to us.

It's not complicated ... unless you respond as HJ did that the internet already operates on different levels. (A true statement, btw.)

What different levels does the internet operate on?
 
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How does one ensure that all traffic receives the same priority without oversight? How does one ensure without regulation? By all means if there is a simpler solution point it out to us.
Competition.
What different levels does the internet operate on?
See post #137
 
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We don't actually have major competition between ISPS so try again.
In my small metropolitan area there are two cable ISPs, two DSL ISPs, satellite ISPs, a whole host of cellular ISPs and a surprising number of RF ISPs.

I'd guess you have even more ISPs where you live.
 
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In my small metropolitan area there are two cable ISPs, two DSL ISPs, satellite ISPs, a whole host of cellular ISPs and a surprising number of RF ISPs.

I'd guess you have even more ISPs where you live.

None of the ISP's in my area say they are dedicated to insuring internet traffic is given the same priority, so how is competition going to ensure this?
 
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None of the ISP's in my area say they are dedicated to insuring internet traffic is given the same priority, so how is competition going to ensure this?
As I've repeatedly pointed out, identical priorities is in the best interests of very few.

What you, and most other customers, want is an ISP that provides Netflix or your chosen streaming service at an acceptable data rate whenever you're interested in watching your video stream.
 
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Competition.


Most of the major players have the same position on this--they are against net neutrality. The big broadband providers in my area are on this list in red. Maybe the satellite providers don't care, since they don't build the same kind of infrastructure.

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As I've repeatedly pointed out, identical priorities is in the best interests of very few.

What you, and most other customers, want is an ISP that provides Netflix or your chosen streaming service at an acceptable data rate whenever you're interested in watching your video stream.

And the big telecoms are interested in getting you and Netflix to pay MORE for this privilege!
 
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And the big telecoms are interested in getting you and Netflix to pay MORE for this privilege!
Do you not want to pay for the bandwidth you use?

Do you also demand that all airline fares be the same price regardless of distance traveled or fuel consumed? :scratch:
 
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Do you not want to pay for the bandwidth you use?

Do you also demand that all airline fares be the same price regardless of distance traveled or fuel consumed? :scratch:

I already pay for a very speedy broadband and Verizon in its infinite condescension pretends to provide it to me. If I pay more for a higher speed, I expect my ISP to make a stab at providing me it--without slowing down selected content providers *I* choose that THEY want to slow down.

The airlines already charge me much less to travel a longer distance, and more for shorter, so I'm completely baffled by their unique methods of price discrimination ^_^
 
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I already pay for a very speedy broadband and Verizon in its infinite condescension pretends to provide it to me. If I pay more for a higher speed, I expect my ISP to make a stab at providing me it--without slowing down selected content providers *I* choose that THEY want to slow down.
If you're paying for broadband on Verizon you deserve what you get.
The airlines already charge me much less to travel a longer distance, and more for shorter, so I'm completely baffled by their unique methods of price discrimination ^_^
Noting that the unique arrangement of the major airlines and government regulation has resulted in every single one of them going bankrupt, sometimes multiple times.

It might be a good parallel to the internet under net neutrality though. You really don't want to emulate that on the internet. The pricing is not just baffling, as you say, it is so nonsensical that not one of the major carriers using that system has been able to make money with it.

In contrast, Southwest and a couple of other point-to-point carriers, which price airfares based on their actual costs, have consistently been profitable year after year ... even though the labor costs at Southwest Airlines are now the highest of any airline flying. :eek:
 
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Most of the major players have the same position on this--they are against net neutrality. The big broadband providers in my area are on this list in red. Maybe the satellite providers don't care, since they don't build the same kind of infrastructure.

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Time Warner... *sigh* and I just started your net services too.
 
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If you're paying for broadband on Verizon you deserve what you get.

The other choice is Comcast. I'd rather spend eternity eating shards of broken glass...and at least I get FIOS with Verizon.

In contrast, Southwest and a couple of other point-to-point carriers, which price airfares based on their actual costs, have consistently been profitable year after year ... even though the labor costs at Southwest Airlines are now the highest of any airline flying. :eek:

Southwest will still feed you, give you a drink, and let you check a bag with your ticket price. When you factor that in and shop smart, Southwest often has a better price; heaven knows they offer a better *experience*. (We often fly on a major Southwest route, and they've become the family airline. My kids even flew on them unaccompanied with no extra cost because according to Southwest, a 12-year-old who insists I make his sandwich every day constitutes a "responsible adult" who can look out for a younger sibling ^_^)
 
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The other choice is Comcast. I'd rather spend eternity eating shards of broken glass...and at least I get FIOS with Verizon.
I have a hard time believing that. I daresay you have at least multiple DLS services available to you as well as RF and satellite providers. It's hard to imagine any of them being more expensive than Verizon. :eek:
Southwest will still feed you, give you a drink, and let you check a bag with your ticket price. When you factor that in and shop smart, Southwest often has a better price; heaven knows they offer a better *experience*. (We often fly on a major Southwest route, and they've become the family airline. My kids even flew on them unaccompanied with no extra cost because according to Southwest, a 12-year-old who insists I make his sandwich every day constitutes a "responsible adult" who can look out for a younger sibling ^_^)
Southwest = good :thumbsup:
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Ensuring the 737 will endure for 100 years or more.
 
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DSL...NHE, that is so 1999. ^_^ Satellite is, actually, more expensive, too. Looked into it.

I do need to have high speed as I am a home-based worker and need to have a fast and reliable connection. Verizon and Comcast are the fastest.
 
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I have a hard time believing that. I daresay you have at least multiple DLS services available to you as well as RF and satellite providers. It's hard to imagine any of them being more expensive than Verizon.

When was the last time you priced out satellite providers? I looked them up for the purposes of this thread - it's crazy money and only justifiable if you live in a rural area and can't get anything else.

I live in an apartment building, so no satellite for me and the only cable service here is Comcast. Verizon allegedly offers DSL service to my building, but I can see what's left of the phone lines in my basement and... lol. I have one phone jack in my apartment and I'm not sure it's connected to anything.
 
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DSL...NHE, that is so 1999. ^_^
Yes, but here DSL goes straight to fiber. Some places even have direct fiber. It's not your grandfather's DSL. ;)

At peak times it's hands-down better than cable.
I do need to have high speed as I am a home-based worker and need to have a fast and reliable connection. Verizon and Comcast are the fastest.
Fiber I can see being the fastest. Depends on how close it gets to your house though.
 
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