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I love how you presume to know the hearts of people. Shows just how shallow you really are.
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I love how you presume to know the hearts of people. Shows just how shallow you really are.Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to continue hiding from the uncomfortable reality of it. Anything to avoid staring yourself down in the mirror.
So which is worse, that she's ignorant, or that you're perpetuating racial bias by thinking it necessary to justify your previous remarks with an "actual story about a typical white person"?I don't know why my posts aren't showing up. But when I said that "Yeah, blacks actually write books" I was being sarcastic I had an experience where I was browsing through Barnes & Noble and I was looking in the section of African American studies and such, and there was a white person there who said "I didn't think blacks wrote those types of books."No joke!
Amazing! And you can't see how you're defense of Sen. Obama's remarks makes you equally guilty as they are -- in fact, as guilty as Sen. Obama is -- of making false generalizations? You're saying one thing, but your words are actually making my case for me. Thanks.No, I don't believe the people here think that blacks are dumb, but I have encountered generalizations on CF where some posters seem to think that all blacks agree with politicians like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. It's almost as if they believe blacks can't think for themselves or disagree with black politicians.
I don't know why my posts aren't showing up. But when I said that "Yeah, blacks actually write books" I was being sarcastic I had an experience where I was browsing through Barnes & Noble and I was looking in the section of African American studies and such, and there was a white person there who said "I didn't think blacks wrote those types of books."No joke! Even though she was talking about a particular subject, it was no less surprising. I wasn't even offended by this, it was just too shocking.
No, I don't believe the people here think that blacks are dumb, but I have encountered generalizations on CF where some posters seem to think that all blacks agree with politicians like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. It's almost as if they believe blacks can't think for themselves or disagree with black politicians.
Do you not think what he said has any truth?
You take his statement out of context... somewhat... he was making a point as to what he sees as... progress against racism in the US.He's black- and more blacks go to jail then college. How would using that to describe a 'typical black person' sound, regardless of the truth of statistics?
You take his statement out of context... somewhat... he was making a point as to what he sees as... progress against racism in the US.
He's black- and more blacks go to jail then college. How would using that to describe a 'typical black person' sound, regardless of the truth of statistics?
However if the answer were as simple as yes there are more black men in jail then college, I may not like it but if it is true it is true.
The next question of course would be why, which would then lead to the subject of justice and race.
It does and it doesn't. I think the message he conveyed reflects a particular perspective on the problem that... isn't even necessarily true of the majority of Americans... hopefully, especially those with whom he now works... which is probably the most troubling part...You could say the same thing for jail/college.
He believes most white people are afraid of blacks. Doesn't matter what progress he's claiming has been made.
Forget it. It's pointless.
So which is worse, that she's ignorant, or that you're perpetuating racial bias by thinking it necessary to justify your previous remarks with an "actual story about a typical white person"?Amazing! And you can't see how you're defense of Sen. Obama's remarks makes you equally guilty as they are -- in fact, as guilty as Sen. Obama is -- of making false generalizations? You're saying one thing, but your words are actually making my case for me. Thanks.
I wanted to say something, but I didn't. Because for one I didn't know how to respond to it. And I don't see how the post came off as hateful.Okay, now, I want to show you why this was wrong of you, okay?
When the individual said such a thing, you should have dealt with the individual, and that should have been that. It never should have entered the discussion here. To do so, in sarcasm, is to assume that ALL white folks are alike.
I agree with the statement that racism MUST contain two elements: judgement based on skin color and power. So, I am not going to say what you said was racist, but it did contain half of the formula.
It would be the same thing as if I randomly told a story about visiting my BLACK friend and said (and yes, we had watermelon)
Do you see how extremely wrong that is when you put it on the other foot?
Please understand, I am not condemning you. We all do it. I am not even sure that we can completely eliminate such generalizations from our vocabulary. But, oh, Lord! Can we at least understand that it is NOT intended with hate behind it?
Can we ALL identify the language that is truly hateful and racist? Can we ALL identify the ACTIONS that are truly hateful and racist?
Did that woman ask in complete ignorance and curiosity or did that woman ask with hate in her heart? That is what I am getting at. If there was no hate there, then, can we start having a little forgiveness?
You many not be able to see it, but everyone else does.Well actually no I wasn't. And no, they don't make the case for you.
Did you see me say anything about that comment? No, you did not, so obviously I wasn't talking about that. You know what I was talking about. The post I made is obvious. And you manage to pretend you are oblivious to it. You make erroneous general statements about whites and don't even see it when confronted by them. The discussion is becoming pointless.When I said that I've encountered the belief that some posters believe that blacks agree with black leaders like Sharpton and Jackson I wasn't talking about you directly.
Tell me you don't agree with him. You share his misguided perception of white people, so why wouldn't you?And how was I defending Barack Obama?
You didn't have to say it. The tone of your post confirmed it. But again, you don't understand that, which is the whole problem.And did I say that the woman is in Barnes & Noble was the "typical white person?"
I suggest you read Lisa's response to your insulting post and see if maybe you can understand it from what she said. Obviously you aren't getting it from what I've said.I was responding to the post from Lisa, and I don't know where you get off saying that I'm perpetuating racial, just because of that experience I had.
I know. And again, that's the problem.I wanted to say something, but I didn't. Because for one I didn't know how to respond to it. And I don't see how the post came off as hateful.
I didn't believe that. My point, and Lisa's too, is that you felt it necessary to illustrate your viewpoint from the post you made before that by sharing this story. Anytime you use a personal experience to illustrate a point, you are saying "this story explains my perspective," meaning that you, whether consciously or subconsciously, expect all white people to be as ignorant as that young woman is about black-authored social science literature. You can justify it anyway you want, but the bottom line is, you are perpetuating racial bias as surely as Jeremiah Wright, Barak Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or for that matter, David Duke. Forgive me, but he is the only white person I can think of right now who is an overt racist. The black community is filled with them. That's pretty sad.And I don't know where how you thought that I believed she said that with hate.
hmm...Again, from the outside looking in...
This may not have the effect that some are hoping for. This is beginning to look as if White America is going to stop feeling so guilty about the past. It looks as if Black America may have overplayed their hand.
Lisa
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