Obama and The New World Order

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I keep saying that Obama hammered the last nails into the coffin.

One thing tho, I don't completely blame Obama for this - I blame a
majority of a nation who has kicked God out and rebelled, and has
lost sense and lacks wisdom.
I don't need to give the list of the sins of this nation, but they're
on a massive scale; esp when you look at the youth they've raised.

This is reaping what was sown since the "liberation" of the 60's.
The more liberalism has grown, the worse this country has fallen.
People are too blind to connect the dots. I know that becuz
they just voted in a far leftist with a far left extreme cabinet.
I say, you'll reap what you sow.

for a Christian take on the american situation, it's the two horns of the beast that looked like a lamb.. which could be the two-party political state, which has remained for a long time in North America, or it could be the 2 horns of the American and the English. I am absolutely sure that this 2nd beast in Revelation 13 is the USA. It's based on a lot of research on my part.. just reading the text in the bible.. but other people have the same idea..

The Two Beasts (The United States and Catholicism)

 

[Nadiine]

for a Christian take on the american situation, it's the two horns of the beast that looked like a lamb.. which could be the two-party political state, which has remained for a long time in North America, or it could be the 2 horns of the American and the English. I am absolutely sure that this 2nd beast in Revelation 13 is the USA. It's based on a lot of research on my part.. just reading the text in the bible.. but other people have the same idea..

The Two Beasts (The United States and Catholicism)

With America in the 'backseat' (economically), I don't think we're
any beast in the end times scenarios.
Why couldn't it be the UK since they have such a mass population
of Islam and even Sharia law in some provinces?
(then again, I think America has 1 Islamic area that operates under that
too).

Honestly, most don't know where America fits into prophecy exactly.
I've heard both sides of the coin that we're the eagle symbol, and
we aren't evil - and the opposite.
I just don't know. But I can tell you that the Christians I know are
extremely disturbed at the state America is in today and have
warned about what was coming, but nobody wanted to listen.
They wanted to continue selfish materialism, immorality and shutting
God out.
But honestly.... so have MANYYYYYYYYYYYY other countries.
They are in the same moral and spiritual coffin we are.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

With America in the 'backseat' (economically), I don't think we're
any beast in the end times scenarios.
Why couldn't it be the UK since they have such a mass population
of Islam and even Sharia law in some provinces?
(then again, I think America has 1 Islamic area that operates under that
too).

Honestly, most don't know where America fits into prophecy exactly.
I've heard both sides of the coin that we're the eagle symbol, and
we aren't evil - and the opposite.
I just don't know. But I can tell you that the Christians I know are
extremely disturbed at the state America is in today and have
warned about what was coming, but nobody wanted to listen.
They wanted to continue selfish materialism, immorality and shutting
God out.
But honestly.... so have MANYYYYYYYYYYYY other countries.
They are in the same moral and spiritual coffin we are.

I used to have dreams about the southern US/Mexico. It was a paradise, of bright sunshine, souring vultures and exotic beautiful cactus. I wanted to move there to live.
Then I started to find out what has been going on since 9/11.
9/11 was what prompted my investigations. I have images now burnt into my mind, like Bush signing all those executive orders, and the patriot act, surrounded by a crowd of clapping sycophants.. unbelievable if it wasn’t true.
If you watch Wolfe’s video ‘death of america’ that is very well made, and illustrates the clear warnings of the Nazi/fascist putsch take-over, even to the extent of Black Water.. and Schwartz Wasser.. (the Nazi private army in Germany).
History repeating itself. But you don’t notice it, just watching the TV.. everyone carries on as usual, but under the scenes everything is changing.

 

[RMDY]

I am waiting for Christ's return, but I don't try to get caught up in the manufactured prophetic sign of the moment. Neither do I believe in any kind of New World Order or any other form of conspiracy.

There is some truth to conspiracy theorists belief in a New World Order. You can't trust the mainstream media, and it was proven that there was a media blackout on secret meetings that occured to help engineer and bring the European Union as we know it to fruitation.

 

[Nadiine]

There is some truth to conspiracy theorists belief in a New World Order. You can't trust the mainstream media, and it was proven that there was a media blackout on secret meetings that occured to help engineer and bring the European Union as we know it to fruitation.

I keep saying this to clarify that I'm not of the conspiracy types -
however, when it comes to this NWO & end times prophecy stuff
in serious governmental powers [issues], I DO think there's truth to the
conspiracist's claims.

I think Satan is literally orchestrating this with world leaders
thru direct influence. It's all coming to fruition like the Bible
teaches. There's no way this is coincidence, it's design.

 

[Candide]

There's no way this is coincidence? No way? What about the fact that prophesies like those we're discussing are vague by nature, and could be interpreted any number of different ways to mean any number of different things?

No way? Come on.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

like i say, I am a conspiracy type, because by definition, the book of Revelation is describing a conspiracy for the end of days.. simple.

 

[Nadiine]

like i say, I am a conspiracy type, because by definition, the book of Revelation is describing a conspiracy for the end of days.. simple.

I disagree that Revelation is a "conspiracy" - it's God's foretelling of
the events.
It's no different than OT prophecy of the Messiah; it announces what
will happen in the future.

Either way tho, these things ARE happening at a rapid rate and
are intesifying in degree. It's an amazing time to live and witness it.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

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3.a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

 

[Candide]

You're presupposing that Revelation is was meant to be a prophetic book...which has yet to be proven by any of you.

 

[Nadiine]

You're presupposing that Revelation is was meant to be a prophetic book...which has yet to be proven by any of you.

Well maybe you can show us where the entire book already happened?

Further, it does say it's [future] prophetic -
Rev. 1
3Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy,
and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

19"Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.

The book is written chronologically from past, to John's present time,
to all future events to come.

So if we're going to claim that everyone has met God at His throne
for judgment, and He's thrown Satan into Gehenna, & the seas died,....
etc., I'd love to know when I missed this.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I doubt anyone is interested, but I said on the eschatology forum that I had come up with a thesis, if you like.. it is, that Revelation is the apocalypse given to the church, and is about the Christian era until the return of Christ. Not the history before the Christian era.
So there should be some sort of correlation with anything else, used from the Old Testament, and Revelation. I have discovered that there is no correlation with the books used by a lot of people to construct an end-time scenario, mainly using Ezekiel and Daniel. And I believe that those books are describing events already happened.. history.
Revelation is the book to look to for the future. and if there is no correlation with Rev. then we are reading about the history of the ancient hebrews..

 

[Candide]

It's been happening since Jon's time. It's pretty clearly written as metaphor for current realities, and how Christians are supposed to act in regards to political systems and allegories. It was written as a didactic letter in apocalyptic form, for multiple reasons (the first being that it was the only way Jon could express himself and still get his letter out, at the time). There's little to no evidence to suggest that even if it is outlining the future events of the apocalypse, that they will look exactly like they say they will. That's the nature of apocalyptic literature.

Also, if you read all the way through Revelation in one sitting, it becomes abundantly clear that it could just as easily be outlining events that have been happening since Jon's time, and not those that are going to happen in the future. One need only take a look at Jon's world to see this.

Obviously, there's a part of Revelation that is prophetic (not in the OT sense, but in the 'telling the future' sense). But that doesn't mean that the whole book is meant to be taken as such. Yeah, there's parts (the last two chapters, for instance) that tell us how God's plan is going to end up for his creation...but the middle part could just as easily deal with current realities and past realities (just like the Epistles it was meant to mirror) as with prophetic events.

 

[Nadiine]

I doubt anyone is interested, but I said on the eschatology forum that I had come up with a thesis, if you like.. it is, that Revelation is the apocalypse given to the church, and is about the Christian era until the return of Christ. Not the history before the Christian era.
So there should be some sort of correlation with anything else, used from the Old Testament, and Revelation. I have discovered that there is no correlation with the books used by a lot of people to construct an end-time scenario, mainly using Ezekiel and Daniel. And I believe that those books are describing events already happened.. history.
Revelation is the book to look to for the future. and if there is no correlation with Rev. then we are reading about the history of the ancient hebrews..

I disagree with some of this, in fact, some of what they use
of the OT to make their 'end times' observations, is exactly what is unfolding today.
So either they're good guessers, or the OT books CAN be used prophetically.

The problem is, we really can't prove what hasn't happened yet
in the area of eschatology. I don't debate on the subject really.
I think there are some things that can discussed, but it's nothing
I really push.

I don't at all hold to Preterism.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I disagree with some of this, in fact, some of what they use
of the OT to make their 'end times' observations, is exactly what is unfolding today.
So either they're good guessers, or the OT books CAN be used prophetically.

The problem is, we really can't prove what hasn't happened yet
in the area of eschatology. I don't debate on the subject really.
I think there are some things that can discussed, but it's nothing
I really push.

I don't at all hold to Preterism.

My belief could be described as amillennial, historicist. I have changed on that over the years, but that’s where I’m at now. I think that i have come up with the correct interpretation of Revelation.. all of it. But i have yet to read any books of any worth on this subject.. except for one.. which is in my book collection.

 

[Nadiine]

It's been happening since Jon's time. It's pretty clearly written as metaphor for current realities, and how Christians are supposed to act in regards to political systems and allegories.

I realize that this is a popular explanation for everyone to use that
it's all metaphor... it's not tho - esp. when every "metaphor" has literal meaning to apply, otherwise it's even pointless as metaphor/analogy.

It gives literal historic content (past and present), and proceeds with future events. If the past & present are literal, why does the future
all of a sudden jump the tracks onto all metaphorical?

Also, there's a key verse that tells us it's more than mere
metaphor - it says there are things to HEED in the book of
Revelation. Not just mindless meanderings that have no relevance,
but it calls us to something.
It's also the only book in the Bible that gives the reader of this
particular book a blessing just for reading it, AND the only book
that gives warning of tampering with it's content.

I cannot at all agree that this is "clearly" metaphorical just by
those 2 facts of the text alone. Nevermind that it claims it is
prophetic with future events being revealed.
Not even the gospel accounts (which are crucial) hold a blessing or warning 'clause'.

We also have to remember that the NT is REVEALING what the
OT conceals - it unlocks mysteries that weren't provided earlier.

So I have every reason to believe it's giving us the future events
(coded as such).

 

[Nadiine]

My belief could be described as amillennial, historicist. I have changed on that over the years, but that’s where I’m at now. I think that i have come up with the correct interpretation of Revelation.. all of it. But i have yet to read any books of any worth on this subject.. except for one.. which is in my book collection.

Actually, that leads me away from your consensus tho - becuz
biblically it states that the mystery would be unlocked or opened
to us - I have a hard time believing that only you have been given
the code to unlock the mysteries of the end times and everyone
else has been wrong for the past few centuries.

That's not to be insulting or rude at all, it's just a means of
evaluation of truth itself that I use. It's a reason why I reject
Mormonism & JWit.s and 'new' religions that spring up so late in history.

 

[Candide]

Woah there. Nowhere did I say that it is full of "mindless, irrelevant meanderings".

That's just silly.

It's full of truth. All of it is truth.

It's just metaphorical truth, used for the teaching of Christians concerning how to interact with political systems, with some prophetic elements.

And I didn't say that the future events are literal truth. They're metaphors for what's going to happen...just like what Jesus tells us.

Do you really believe that a giant Dragon is going to come down, and that Jesus is going to descend, pulling a sword out of his mouth?

If you do, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I suppose.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Actually, that leads me away from your consensus tho - becuz
biblically it states that the mystery would be unlocked or opened
to us - I have a hard time believing that only you have been given
the code to unlock the mysteries of the end times and everyone
else has been wrong for the past few centuries.

That's not to be insulting or rude at all, it's just a means of
evaluation of truth itself that I use. It's a reason why I reject
Mormonism & JWit.s and 'new' religions that spring up so late in history.

It's not just me. Other people have similar views. Nobody will listen to me, not that i really mind. I have just worked out a way for the text to reflect against itself to prove that it is the correct interpretation.. and the argument for correlation against the OT is valid.. as far as i can see.. unless someone can come up with why that isn't so.

 

[starbrite]

Well, hmmm escatology eh?
Obama eh?
dont you think in the big picture Obama is just another pretender? a mere bit player in the whole thing?....an expendable?
I sincerely doubt that he is skull and bones material just on race alone...and you know how those illumunatti types go by blood lines...hes cannon fodder for the next stage of empoverishing / enslaving us....
The guys ,behind the guy, behind the guy.,..im bettng,are all wasps...or at least considered caucasians...
Escatologically speaking i think hes very unimportant.

The prophecy in the rev, and that in Daniel..differ somewhat to Enochs version...
remember Enoch? His life was such that God merely took him. and he didnt have to die to go.....why would the writings of such a person be excluded from the bible?
perhaps it might be worth it to read his version too...?

I dont know the rules on that subject...is it verboten to mention?

anyways...it seems to me that these conspiracy orgs..are satans doing through the ages...they and the very money we use are all part of satans traps he is allowed at present to set for human souls...
There will be a time when he is stopped, and it could as easily be now as any other ..
except some of the more crucial pieces have not joined the puzzle yet...
Surely there is a set number of souls to be born> i think this must be so but have no proofs...but surely it is god who produced the souls of the humans we offsprung so to speak...
or does he keep making more souls for the babies as we go?
At any rate if there really are a set number, then these must all get born before the end...though i think there will be children born in the millenium right?
Just these wont be a high percentage of the total.....so....we are waiting for the right number of sould to be given life...
Next, the situation isnt nearly what is prophecied yet...though it could as of lately deteriorate rapidly "alas Babylon, overnight yadda yadda" so it could be almost instantaneous when it really hits...well were in a situation where this is possible and getting more so not less...
remember what Jesu said of the fig tree? you might not be able to say what day it is, but you can surely see what season...!
I think those who do not watch and wait are the maidens who ran out of oil in the parable....
many things are working towards a culmination...not least our several apocalyptic religions!
With this as the bottom line attitude, and the technology to fullfill mush of whats forcast...well,... consider the fig tree..........?
starbrite