O.K.... one more time...

[WAB]

Since I can't get a straight answer from eph3... then will pose the same question to all....

To which church did Barnabas belong? The apostolic church or the Body-of-Christ/Church?

This is a very straight-forward question...not complicated at all.

Shalom...

 

[TubaFour]

WAB,

Is this a trick question?

Well, lessee!!! I reckon Barnabas was a believer, a christian, elect of God. Hmmmmm! Could he have been a member of the only true church, the one flock belonging to the one Shepherd, the Israel of God, the holy nation, royal priesthood, the people of God, the Vine branches, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ, belonging to those saved by grace alone, fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, the temple of the Holy Spirit, etc., etc .?

I think so....

John 10:16
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

So, unless this is a trick question, that's my answer!!!

aL

 

[WAB]

WAB,

Is this a trick question?

Well, lessee!!! I reckon Barnabas was a believer, a christian, elect of God. Hmmmmm! Could he have been a member of the only true church, the one flock belonging to the one Shepherd, the Israel of God, the holy nation, royal priesthood, the people of God, the Vine branches, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ, belonging to those saved by grace alone, fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, the temple of the Holy Spirit, etc., etc .?

I think so....

John 10:16
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

So, unless this is a trick question, that's my answer!!!

aL

No... not a trick question. Will put off explaining the details of why this question is posed, but it has to do with the declaration by some that neither Peter nor the other Apostles, elders, members of the Jerusalem church were genuine Christians.

Your answer, by the way, is the position I hold.

 

[TubaFour]

No... not a trick question. Will put off explaining the details of why this question is posed, but it has to do with the declaration by some that neither Peter nor the other Apostles, elders, members of the Jerusalem church were genuine Christians.

Your answer, by the way, is the position I hold.

WAB,

I actually knew this was not a trick question... Notice the next to the question!!!!

I also know why you posted this question, because it's a legitimate question and Eph has no legitimate answer.



aL

 

[eph3Nine]

No... not a trick question. Will put off explaining the details of why this question is posed, but it has to do with the declaration by some that neither Peter nor the other Apostles, elders, members of the Jerusalem church were genuine Christians.

Your answer, by the way, is the position I hold.

Excuse me??? NO One has made any such declaration that Peter nor the other apostles werent BELIEVERS. They believed in the gospel of THEIR salvation..which was prophetic ...believe in the promised MESSIAH and be water baptized to demonstrate that belief..as was REQUIRED under the Kingdom program of those who were of the NATION OF PRIESTS.

The "little flock" was comprised of those who believed in the Kingdom gospel/PROPHETIC/having to do with Israel and Gods plan and purpose for re establishing His reign and rule on the EARTH.

So...you are getting into rabbit trail areas and NOT addressing the REAL issue...which is ...WHY PAUL?

 

[WAB]

Excuse me??? NO One has made any such declaration that Peter nor the other apostles werent BELIEVERS. They believed in the gospel of THEIR salvation..which was prophetic ...believe in the promised MESSIAH and be water baptized to demonstrate that belief..as was REQUIRED under the Kingdom program of those who were of the NATION OF PRIESTS.

The "little flock" was comprised of those who believed in the Kingdom gospel/PROPHETIC/having to do with Israel and Gods plan and purpose for re establishing His reign and rule on the EARTH.

So...you are getting into rabbit trail areas and NOT addressing the REAL issue...which is ...WHY PAUL?

ONCE AGAIN, you twist/slice words to fit a pre-conceived position. Mormons believe their perverted doctrines. JW's believe their perverted doctrines. Budhists believe their pagan doctrines.... etc.,etc. So... they were/are "BELIEVERS" ! Of course you will not give any credence to what James wrote, but verse 19 of chap. 2 tells us that "... the demons (devils in KJV) believe, and tremble."

You have very clearly declared that neither Peter (whose name, incidentally, you often print with a lower case "P" just prior to printing Paul's name properly), nor the other members of the Jerusalem church were Christians.

In the above quote you say: "They believed in the gospel of THEIR salvation..." So... in your opinion/belief system there are two legitimate modes of salvation; one for the apostles and their fellow believers, and another for the followers of Paul.

Actually, Paul had quite a different take. Romans 1:16: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Gentile)."

How one can come up with two different modes of salvation in light of Romans 1:16 boggles the mind.

 

[holdon]

Since I can't get a straight answer from eph3... then will pose the same question to all....

To which church did Barnabas belong? The apostolic church or the Body-of-Christ/Church?

This is a very straight-forward question...not complicated at all.

Shalom...

Barnabas belonged to the Church Christ said He would build. See Mt 16. There is no other one. This Church is build upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets (of the New Testament) with Jesus Christ being the corner stone.
This Church started at Pentecost in Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit came down and baptized those that believe into one Body, as He had promised.

 

[WAB]

Barnabas belonged to the Church Christ said He would build. See Mt 16. There is no other one. This Church is build upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets (of the New Testament) with Jesus Christ being the corner stone.
This Church started at Pentecost in Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit came down and baptized those that believe into one Body, as He had promised.

Amen... the promises of God are sure and steadfast!

 

[eph3Nine]

Sounds like there are two of you who arent clear on when the Bible says the Church , the Body of Christ began. Oh well. If its IN Matthew, then its Christ ON EARTH speaking, and HE SAID that HE CAME to the lost sheep of the House of ISRAEL. There WAS no body of Christ when He was alive and walking around! It was STILL a SECRET , HID IN GOD.

YOU are trying to pass off Christ in His earthly ministry as HIS WORDS to we the church, the Body of Christ. NO NO NO. He is speaking to the people HE SAYS HE IS SPEAKING TO...and NO ONE ELSE. The church He is speaking to HERE is the KINGDOM CHURCH made up of JEWS who believe the KINGDOM GOSPEL having to do with a prophesied MESSIAH and KING. NOTHING here in Matthew having to do with the church, which is His BODY at ALL!

Shabby shabby study habits here. MISREPRESENTING GOD all over the place. STOP>>>LOOOOOK.......Tell me where Peter or Christ on earth EVER once mentioned the church, which is His BODY.

 

[WAB]

Sounds like there are two of you who arent clear on when the Bible says the Church , the Body of Christ began. Oh well. If its IN Matthew, then its Christ ON EARTH speaking, and HE SAID that HE CAME to the lost sheep of the House of ISRAEL. There WAS no body of Christ when He was alive and walking around! It was STILL a SECRET , HID IN GOD.

YOU are trying to pass off Christ in His earthly ministry as HIS WORDS to we the church, the Body of Christ. NO NO NO. He is speaking to the people HE SAYS HE IS SPEAKING TO...and NO ONE ELSE. The church He is speaking to HERE is the KINGDOM CHURCH made up of JEWS who believe the KINGDOM GOSPEL having to do with a prophesied MESSIAH and KING. NOTHING here in Matthew having to do with the church, which is His BODY at ALL!

Shabby shabby study habits here. MISREPRESENTING GOD all over the place. STOP>>>LOOOOOK.......Tell me where Peter or Christ on earth EVER once mentioned the church, which is His BODY.

For answers to your take on the KINGDOM, have a look at the new thread (think that's the right designation) titled "Water Baptism"....

 

[eph3Nine]

For answers to your take on the KINGDOM, have a look at the new thread (think that's the right designation) titled "Water Baptism"....

Dont need to. YOU are all wet there too, unfortunately.

The baptism by which WE are baptized had nothing to do with WATER...but by being IDENTIFIED with Christs death, burial and resurrection.

"ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism"...we are placed into (baptized) the Body of Christ by the Spirit of God.


I can count...that equals ONE. To add water to the mix is to misunderstand whose gospel you are trusting.

The fact that Paul baptized a few folks, and that is literal, means NADA. Once he realized that this was NOT part of the MYSTERY truth, HE STOPPED. Water baptism is NOT a part of the teaching for we the BODY.

 

[WAB]

Dont need to. YOU are all wet there too, unfortunately.

The baptism by which WE are baptized had nothing to do with WATER...but by being IDENTIFIED with Christs death, burial and resurrection.

"ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism"...we are placed into (baptized) the Body of Christ by the Spirit of God.


I can count...that equals ONE. To add water to the mix is to misunderstand whose gospel you are trusting.

The fact that Paul baptized a few folks, and that is literal, means NADA. Once he realized that this was NOT part of the MYSTERY truth, HE STOPPED. Water baptism is NOT a part of the teaching for we the BODY.

Paul did his baptizing AFTER the "mysteries" had been revealed to him, so who went wrong?

If one realizes that public baptism by immersion is a very clear testimony of identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, one can really rejoice in that testimony.

 

[eph3Nine]

water baptism = REQUIREMENT by Gods nation of Priest, Jewish,

Spirit baptism = the ONE baptism spoken of in Eph 4:5, having NOTHING to do with water.

 

[WAB]

water baptism = REQUIREMENT by Gods nation of Priest, Jewish,

Spirit baptism = the ONE baptism spoken of in Eph 4:5, having NOTHING to do with water.

Yes, there is only ONE Spirit baptism. If that has occurred, there is no possibility of a second Spirit baptism, as would be required if the doctrine that teaches that one may be saved, then lost, and then saved again were legitimate.

As Romans 11:29 puts it... (and you probably will cringe at my use of the NKJV, but it really saves a lot of time as the word "repentance" in the KJV really does mean irrevocable) So... ""For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." Once the gift of salvation has been received, there is no way that it can be revoked or lost.

O.K. we probably agree on that issue. Water baptism opn the other hand is an entirely different issue. As shown before, Paul himself baptized quite a few new believers in water after having received the revelation of the mysteries. Do you think Paul was being disobedient to the Lord?

 

[TheScottsMen]

Paul himself baptized quite a few new believers in water after having received the revelation of the mysteries. Do you think Paul was being disobedient to the Lord?

What does this water baptism represent?

 

[WAB]

What does this water baptism represent?

Water baptism represents one's belief/faith in the efficacy of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ as being the final payment for the sin of mankind.

 

[WAB]

Water baptism represents one's belief/faith in the efficacy of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ as being the final payment for the sin of mankind.

Should have included this in the last post, but here is the reason I believe that the correct mode of water baptism is to be by immersion.

Since it represents one's faith in the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord, sprinkling hardly is a good representation of burial. Have you ever seen anyone buried where they just laid the corpse out on the ground and sprinkled a bit of dirt over them? Also, coming up out of the water does represent the resurrection of Christ considerably better than just wiping the sprinkling off.