Nudism

[Exhausted]

And I'd rather not see ugly people at all. That doesn't mean I have the right (or should have the right) to force them off the street. If I don't want to see them, that's MY problem, not theirs. If you don't want to see naked old men (or obese people, or whatever), that's YOUR problem, not theirs. They should not suffer because of YOUR problem.

I don't wanna lock 'um up! I just ya know, don't need to see that. I suppose I will get used to it, should it go mainstream. For now, though, I like pants.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I don't wanna lock 'um up! I just ya know, don't need to see that. I suppose I will get used to it, should it go mainstream. For now, though, I like pants.

And I don't need to see ugly people. That is not grounds for my refusing to allow them to walk the streets.

 

[Exhausted]

And I don't need to see ugly people. That is not grounds for my refusing to allow them to walk the streets.

Woah, woah! You're making stuff up, now! Let's try the BLUNTSTRYKE! I do not want/need to see elderly genitalia! That's it. No locking up, no forcing. Just pants.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Woah, woah! You're making stuff up, now! Let's try the BLUNTSTRYKE! I do not want/need to see elderly genitalia! That's it. No locking up, no forcing. Just pants.

Same thing. You're talking about a law so that you don't see what you don't want to. I am stating that your (or my) reluctance to see something is not sufficient reason to legislate to keep you from seeing it. It's YOUR problem, not theirs, and they shoudln't suffer for your problem.

 

[Exhausted]

Same thing. You're talking about a law so that you don't see what you don't want to. I am stating that your (or my) reluctance to see something is not sufficient reason to legislate to keep you from seeing it. It's YOUR problem, not theirs, and they shoudln't suffer for your problem.

Oh! That's it. I didn't mean law, just personal prefrence. If enough nudists gather to make it legal, then I won't fight it.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Oh! That's it. I didn't mean law, just personal prefrence. If enough nudists gather to make it legal, then I won't fight it.

How many is "enough"?

 

[Exhausted]

How many is "enough"?

I dunno, ask the gov. If a bill comes up to legalise nudism, though, I'd vote Yea. My two cents.

 

[MQTA]

I dunno, ask the gov. If a bill comes up to legalise nudism, though, I'd vote Yea. My two cents.

In New York, it's now legal for females to walk barechested in any place where it is acceptable for males to do same.

 

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Just in case you think he's making that up, I'll verify. It's been legal since the early 90s due to litigation. I have to say though, I wish it weren't. I'm not a judgemental person, and I treat everyone equally, but honestly, some people shouldn't take their shirts off in public. That's all I have to say.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Just in case you think he's making that up, I'll verify. It's been legal since the early 90s due to litigation. I have to say though, I wish it weren't. I'm not a judgemental person, and I treat everyone equally, but honestly, some people shouldn't take their shirts off in public. That's all I have to say.

LOL, that's why nude beaches aren't even HALF as heavy on the "tempting" side as many preachers and peeping toms seem to think. Have you ever seen a pot belly that was so huge that the person it belonged to was turned into a sexless being, due to the fact that the bulging masses of fat completely concealed whatever private parts might lie underneath?
Anyway, those people look just as horrible when they are fully clothed.

 

[Natman]

I think that is true whether someone is obese, skin and bones or even perfectly normal. Less than one percent of individuals are as appealing (by the worlds standards) totally nude in the bright light of day as they are fully dressed, made up and in subdued lighting.

Here are a few examples...

Pamela Sue Anderson:

Cameron Diaz:

Christina Applegate:

Goldie Hawn:

People SHOULD take better care of their bodies. But as long as they are willing to cover them up with make-up and loose clothing, and therefore lie to themselves that there really isn't anything wrong, why would they?

I am not saying that everybody should try to have perfect bodies. The truth is that the vast majority of people, particularly in the US and western Europe are more than a few pounds overweight. Some are more than a few pounds underweight. We should accept that as the way it is and get on with life.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[KCDAD]

I think that is true whether someone is obese, skin and bones or even perfectly normal. Less than one percent of individuals are as appealing (by the worlds standards) totally nude in the bright light of day as they are fully dressed, made up and in subdued lighting.
People SHOULD take better care of their bodies. But as long as they are willing to cover them up with make-up and loose clothing, and therefore lie to themselves that there really isn't anything wrong, why would they?
I am not saying that everybody should try to have perfect bodies. The truth is that the vast majority of people, particularly in the US and western Europe are more than a few pounds overweight. Some are more than a few pounds underweight. We should accept that as the way it is and get on with life.
Son-cerely,Nathan Powers

Perhaps we should not allow society to define what is appealing or attractive nad find our own senses of beauty... Can't you see the beauty in the "before" pictures you just published? I find the over made up and plastic look very unappealing. Naturists believe in the innate beauty of the individual and that has nothing to do with the skin, bone structure or amount of silicone or saline in the human body.

 

[MQTA]

I think that is true whether someone is obese, skin and bones or even perfectly normal. Less than one percent of individuals are as appealing (by the worlds standards) totally nude in the bright light of day as they are fully dressed, made up and in subdued lighting.

Here are a few examples...

Pamela Sue Anderson:


Cameron Diaz:


Christina Applegate:

Goldie Hawn:



People SHOULD take better care of their bodies. But as long as they are willing to cover them up with make-up and loose clothing, and therefore lie to themselves that there really isn't anything wrong, why would they?

I am not saying that everybody should try to have perfect bodies. The truth is that the vast majority of people, particularly in the US and western Europe are more than a few pounds overweight. Some are more than a few pounds underweight. We should accept that as the way it is and get on with life.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

Are they really them, or are the before's touched up? If they are really that different without hollywood makeup, wow. I've alway preferred women who wore little or no makeup. If you like how they are when they first wake up in the morning, then there's nothing they can do to make things any better. Of course, they still do, when they go out to do something, but otherwise I like natural.

You can see how people really look in the morning at school bus stops. I guess some of them do turn into different people later in the day. LOL

 

[Natman]

I've alway preferred women who wore little or no makeup. If you like how they are when they first wake up in the morning, then there's nothing they can do to make things any better.

I'm exactly the same way. My wife is just as radiant when she wakes up as she is at any other time of the day. She only wears only a very little eye liner and that's it, and I wonder why she even wears that. Our annual make-up bill is less than $10. (It would probably be less except for the fact that our daughter keeps "borrowing" her eye liner.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[Alarum]

Just in case you think he's making that up, I'll verify. It's been legal since the early 90s due to litigation. I have to say though, I wish it weren't. I'm not a judgemental person, and I treat everyone equally, but honestly, some people shouldn't take their shirts off in public. That's all I have to say.

But most of them are guys. We definately need more barechested women

 

[Alarum]

I think that is true whether someone is obese, skin and bones or even perfectly normal. Less than one percent of individuals are as appealing (by the worlds standards) totally nude in the bright light of day as they are fully dressed, made up and in subdued lighting.

Here are a few examples...

Pamela Sue Anderson:


Cameron Diaz:


Christina Applegate:

Goldie Hawn:



People SHOULD take better care of their bodies. But as long as they are willing to cover them up with make-up and loose clothing, and therefore lie to themselves that there really isn't anything wrong, why would they?

I am not saying that everybody should try to have perfect bodies. The truth is that the vast majority of people, particularly in the US and western Europe are more than a few pounds overweight. Some are more than a few pounds underweight. We should accept that as the way it is and get on with life.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

Frankly those sort of shots are made by gathering the worst of legions of paparazzi photos. When anywhere between 30 and 50 photos of you are taken every day it's 100% certain you'll look bad in one of them. Sure, some celebs are relying on makeup, but many of them simply look like that. Face it, if there's a top .1% in the sporting world, there's a top .1% in the looks world as well. The fiction that there's not is merely a comfortable fantasy for those who are insecure with themselves.

 

[ACougar]

I think were sometimes enticed to focus on the outside because of the suggestion of what's underneath, hidden and secret. Once we can move beyond that I think it's a lot easier to focus on the real person.

 

[tgg]

ACougar,

This is the message that the nudists and naturists are trying to get out. Having attractive packaging sometimes helps sell the product, but when it comes to the crunch it is the attitude.

You can have the beauty of the likes of Megan Gale or Brad Pitt and have the personality of a wet sponge, or you can be an ugly bugger and be able to be the life and soul of the party.

Do you think that it is right or good to have a sense of suggestion and secrecy as to what is underneath? I don't happen to think so. I don't know if the likes of Natman would agree with me on this, but it is much easier to form stronger friendships in a nudist environment than in a textile environment with the opposite sex, because there is no need to hide anything or to lie to one another about what you are like.

After all, who does live in the body?


tgg

 

[Natman]

ACougar,
This is the message that the nudists and naturists are trying to get out. Having attractive packaging sometimes helps sell the product, but when it comes to the crunch it is the attitude.

AC, I think that is also tha basis for the proper Christian attitude. Jesus refered to to pharisees as "Whitewashed tombs" because they were more concerned about external conditions than the heart condition.

Do you think that it is right or good to have a sense of suggestion and secrecy as to what is underneath? I don't happen to think so. I don't know if the likes of Natman would agree with me on this, but it is much easier to form stronger friendships in a nudist environment than in a textile environment with the opposite sex, because there is no need to hide anything or to lie to one another about what you are like.

I believe that the "naturist/nudist" lifestyle is a kind of type and shadow of the openness we are supposed to have with our Lord God and our fellow Christians. Clothing is merely one more layer of pretense with which we try to hide who we REALLY are.

Also, particlarly on females, clothing is used to entice further inquiry. I would site low-cut blowses, push-up bras, exposed midrift, (usually down to the pubic bone and up to just below the fold of the breasts) and short shorts or skirts (cut almost up to the groin). I would also site brightly colored bathing suits, designed to attract attention specifically to the sexual regions. Even the best female body is far less "attactive" in broad daylight without all of this STUFF.

Men's clothing is no exception. Our coats and jackets are almost always padded in the shoulders to give us the look of strength and power.

SON-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[chrispykreme]

I suppose the influence of public nudism is the key to understanding how it can be viewed as sin. The state of being undressed is not sin, rather the condition of the hearts of those in the environment.

Am i making sense?

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. Who cares if you're naked? What if you don't know any better? sin is choosing to do what you know is wrong, being seperated from God, being consciously disobedient.

How's God seeing your heart?