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Arthur Dietrich

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Icystwolf said:
Talk about logic... The Bible doesn't speak so we have to "Read" the Bible... oh, but I forgot, I'm talking to a wicca...do you have a spell that would make the Bible read itself aloud?

And also, why are you on the internet, when the internet is a man made environment...would it not be better to call on your sisters from the woods to cojure up another lemonade?


If you don't believe in sin, then don't talk about sin... if you don't believe in sin, then you wouldn't be giving some opinion...why give an opinion if you don't believe in it?

If you think Nudism isn't wrong, just say Nudism isn't in my opinion harmful or wrong...
Don't comment on whether you think it's a sin or not, if you don't believe in it....

Or you still don't see it?

You are being disrespectful and immature. Just thought I should point it out. This is an open discussion, like it or not. People are allowed to have their opinions and speculations. "If God exists and sin exists, I think nudity would/wouldn't be a sin because..."

Also, she is not a Wicca. Just as you are not a Christianity. As for one who follows a nature based religion using a computer that was 'man made'. News flash--pagans aren't primatives. If you want to look at it another way. Man and what he makes are just as 'from nature' as a flower is. Nature doesn't start/stop at your doorstep.

Enough digressing. Let's try to have a productive discussion, hmmm?

Oh, and I think she was being sarcastic about the Bible just as you were being sarcastic about the Goddess' tongue being attracted to her ear.
 
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Arthur Dietrich said:
You are being disrespectful and immature. Just thought I should point it out. This is an open discussion, like it or not. People are allowed to have their opinions and speculations. "If God exists and sin exists, I think nudity would/wouldn't be a sin because..."
Well I have my opinion, and it's an open discussion....and thats my opinion.

If Myah wanted to comment about whether nudity is a sin, then she'd read the Bible and prove why she thinks Nudity isn't a sin.

What she did was,

Myah said:
A body is a body. We all have them..we all know what they basically look like. Clothing is simply used because of longstanding custom and tradition. I don't see how being in our bare form, which was given to us, would be considered "sinful"


That has nothing to do with Christianity, or the Bible. How can she consider it sinful, if all she believes in is that nothing is sinful.

If anything, she should have said, "In my understanding, from the Bible, it seems my opinion from my impression from the Bible is that nudity isn't a sin"...

If she's giving personal opinions on something she doesn't believe in, then she doesn't really have a say.

Do you get that logic?

It's ok for her to give an opinion, that she thinks nudity isn't a sin, in a construct of Christianity, but it's not ok to give her personal opinion because she believes that nothing is sinful.

It's ok for a muslim or a jew to comment on whether they think it's a sin or not, because their belief is that there is "sin" and people are and can be "sinful", thus their opinion can be respected because thats what they believe.


Also, she is not a Wicca. Just as you are not a Christianity. As for one who follows a nature based religion using a computer that was 'man made'. News flash--pagans aren't primatives. If you want to look at it another way. Man and what he makes are just as 'from nature' as a flower is. Nature doesn't start/stop at your doorstep.
You seriously arn't making any sense here. What man makes is not a flower that is self sufficient with it's environment. Everything you have here, the internet are all "TOOLS". It only looks alive because we made it that way.

And it all depends on how you define nature.


Enough digressing. Let's try to have a productive discussion, hmmm?

Oh, and I think she was being sarcastic about the Bible just as you were being sarcastic about the Goddess' tongue being attracted to her ear.
Try, to have a fruitful discussion, you need somethings to be straightened before moving on.

Yes, I know my arrogant attitude, is sinful I know, is not welcomed here, but I'd much rather the itch in the thread be scratched out before it continues any further.

It's ok, if you, Myah, continue to post here....but be very careful in what you say.
 
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I am not Wiccan, but I think that it inappropriate to post 'conjuring up lemonade', or a 'Godess next to your ear', or 'a Bible in your ear', or any such claims about slurring or demeaning someone else's faith. Please cut it out. There is nothing wrong with a disagreement, but there is no call for willfully offensive language. Sometimes someone may say something that may offend another persons faith, but if it is by reason of ignorance, perhaps forgiveness of ignorance should be granted, and that to the person whom is offended by an offensive remark should have the fact that a comment is offensive be explained, so that it not be spoken again.


Respectfully,
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Ben johnson said:
Usually not? Is there a time when a LITTLE lust is acceptable?

What is the percentage of lust tolerable in agiven activity?
Question: Can you lust for your own wife?
Also, is lust limited to sex? Aren't there other lusts?
Can't you also lust for (e.g.) chocolate?
 
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Icystwolf said:
Well I have my opinion, and it's an open discussion....and thats my opinion.

If Myah wanted to comment about whether nudity is a sin, then she'd read the Bible and prove why she thinks Nudity isn't a sin.
Point taken. However, I don't see too many people doing that. Now, I admit I don't remember every thread...but I certainly do not remember an abudance of scripture dis/proving that nudity is sinful.





That has nothing to do with Christianity, or the Bible. How can she consider it sinful, if all she believes in is that nothing is sinful.
She could speculate why it would be sinful to those to believe in sin.

If anything, she should have said, "In my understanding, from the Bible, it seems my opinion from my impression from the Bible is that nudity isn't a sin"...
A bit wordy, but Ok.

If she's giving personal opinions on something she doesn't believe in, then she doesn't really have a say.
Well, it *is* true that nudity/clothing and the morality of the aforementioned depend on ones culture/tradition. Everyone is allowed to have their personal opinion. The arguement also ties in to the 'why' of nudity being a sin. Some of said it leads people to lust...so would it not be a sin in places where nudity isn't sexual? You sometimes have to look at reality.

Do you get that logic?
Had to reread a few times, but yes. Thank you.

It's ok for her to give an opinion, that she thinks nudity isn't a sin, in a construct of Christianity, but it's not ok to give her personal opinion because she believes that nothing is sinful.

Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I think it is ok to slip in personal opinions as long as you recognize that they are not fact. And they do add [interest] to the discussion sometimes.

It's ok for a muslim or a jew to comment on whether they think it's a sin or not, because their belief is that there is "sin" and people are and can be "sinful", thus their opinion can be respected because thats what they believe.

So...you as a Christian have no right to comment on matters pertaining to Wicca, Athiesm, etc..etc... (any non-Christian stuffs)? Even if you study about said things and talk to those who practice them? I think 'outside' opinions can be helpful, provided they have backing. Wouldn't you agree that a non-christian that has read the Bible has more weight than a non-christian who has not (when discussing the Bible) ?

You seriously arn't making any sense here. What man makes is not a flower that is self sufficient with it's environment. Everything you have here, the internet are all "TOOLS". It only looks alive because we made it that way.

You know. You're right. I knew I wouldn't be able to explain it properly XP Maybe I'm saying man is not seperative from nature. Well..let's leave it at Wiccans don't have to abandon man-made things.

And it all depends on how you define nature
It does, doesn't it.

Try, to have a fruitful discussion, you need somethings to be straightened before moving on.

Yes, I know my arrogant attitude, is sinful I know, is not welcomed here, but I'd much rather the itch in the thread be scratched out before it continues any further.

It's ok, if you, Myah, continue to post here....but be very careful in what you say.
Just so you know, I'm not attacking you. And I was mainly talking to myself because I was bringing this thread off topic. Though, I agree that arguing about who should and shouldn't participate in a certain topic doesn't help the topic itself.
 
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So...you as a Christian have no right to comment on matters pertaining to Wicca, Athiesm, etc..etc... (any non-Christian stuffs)? Even if you study about said things and talk to those who practice them? I think 'outside' opinions can be helpful, provided they have backing. Wouldn't you agree that a non-christian that has read the Bible has more weight than a non-christian who has not (when discussing the Bible) ?
No, thats not what I'm saying. I think the more appropriate word is empathy. Comment after empathising a Christian.

The other way is to directly attack it, so if you think Christianities stance that nudity is a sin, then you can say, I don't like the stance of Christians because I believe theres nothing wrong with nudity.

Anyways getting back to the topic...

cosmokitty said:
Children in the latter group are at elevated risk because of the loose culture and lifestyle that sometimes is found among lower class whites.
I haven't read the website, but did they take into account that it could be alcohol that could affect the children instead of nudity? I'm sure there are a lot of problems with lower class people(no offence), but I can't see the proper reasoning in plain english at why Children are affected by nudity...
 
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It's ok, if you, Myah, continue to post here....but be very careful in what you say.

I didn't know that I needed your permission. And, for your information, I have read the bible, not to the extent that I have memorized passages, but I have read it. I used to be a Christian, so I have knowledge of what Christians believe sin is. (Most christians..some differ in interpetation of the bible) And.. I don't appreciate someone telling me "what I should have said" or warning me about the contents of my post UNLESS that person is a mod or does it privately. The flaming about my beliefs was uncalled for, so from now on, you have a place in my previously un-used ignore list.
 
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Myah said:
Actually, yes I am a Wiccan. :D
Read the whole quote. He called you a Wicca (no 'n'). I said "she is not a Wicca, just as you are not a Christianity." Wicca is the religion. Wiccan is a person who practices it.

Maybe it was a spelling error. I dunno. I just see many people who call Wiccans 'Wicca'.
 
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Do you think public nudism is a sin?
I do not think it's a sin but I do not think it's appropiate in cultures that do not accept it. We were born nude. Being butt naked is no sin. That's how God made us. But if showing one's body causes lust in another then to me we are inducing a state of sin.
 
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Blissman said:
while a visitor to a museum, a woman had stopped to breast feed her infant. She was arrested because there is no eating or drinking permitted in the museum.
:eek:

That's just horrible. The reason for no eating or drinking is to limit the amount of litter and crumbs. Breast feeding a child creates neither issue.
 
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I think the article cosmickitty put up is just brilliant! It shows just how screwed up much of our human race is today because of the lack of body acceptance and sexual temperence.

Being known for being an avid nudist and wanting to battle for the right for it to be respected as a lifestyle and a valid form of spirituality is important to us.

As a race, I would dare say that most of us are very hypocritical when it comes to the human body and the way we treat sex.

The naturist movement originally came about by people who were experts in the health and philosophy field. They understood that the human body in itself was not sexual, except in the right cicumstances. In the beginning, naturist groups and clubs had behavioural codes which were not unlike that of your church family: they forbade smoking, alcohol, meat-eating, gambling, and inappropriate sexual behaviour. They weren't anti-sex, but there was a time and place where such behaviour was appropriate.

In cultures and societies where nakedness is the norm, there are many health and psychological benefits that go with it: studies have shown that there is a significantly lower rate of teenage pregnancies, and young people are less likely to abuse alcohol and drugs and have an interest in pornography - which is quite unlike much of our 'textile' culture where these things are a major problem.

Although in our society it is often the man who tends to get interested in it initially, it is usually the girls and the women who tend to be the most enthusiastic participants.

It is true that there are some men who use it for perverted agendas, but these days naturists are a lot more security conscious and will report such people to the police and put their names on a warning list which is then circulated to other naturist organisations.

Naturism and nudity is certainly not dangerous to children, but as long as the adults are not engaging in sexual conduct with them.

In some naked cultures like African tribes, American Indians, Pacific Islanders and Aboriginals, until about 30 years ago it was not uncommon for some of the parents to make love in front of the children, nor were children beaten or reprimanded for delighting in their bodies or their own sexuality as teens.

They had an enormous respect for life and their environment and as a result, rape, murder, organised prostitution, sexual dysfunction and cheating were unknown in their culture.

If such an offence was committed, the whole tribe learnt from it the first time and never made the same mistake again.

Yet most 'civilised' people thought that *they* were barbaric and they sought to wipe them out, and used Christianity as a front for the imperial takeover by nations like Britain, France and Spain.

I think that as Christians, we have a lot more to learn from their own sense of integrity and simplicity than what we are prepared to accept.

There are also some very interesting sites that show naturism/nudism is not incompatible with Christianity, when practised with the proper intentions:

http://www.figleafforum.com (text-only site that deals with Biblical references to nakedness)
http://www.naturistlife.com (a Christian family site emphasising chastity and self-respect within naturism)
http://www.naturist-christians.org
http://cheef.com/melissastarr (a story of how one woman growing up in an abusive atheist house has found peace and self-acceptance through becoming a nudist and Christian)

There are some photos and depictions of nakedness on these sites, but it is not of an erotic or exploitative nature. However, the sites don't seem to give much scope to other Christian matters with the same amount of diversity that this site has. For the non-single guys: I strongly recommend that you surf these sites with your wife or girlfriend. There can be no worse damage to a relationship or marriage than to keep an interest in such activities a secret, especially if you happen to be a porno addict.


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aggie03 said:
In Genesis 3:21 God clothed Adam and Eve. If being nude were okay, this would have been unnecessary. That's a very brief point, but it's all I've got time for now :).

Actually, God clothed Adam and Eve because THEY were ashamed of their nakedness. If it was a sin to be naked then God would have never made them naked in the first place. Obviously animals never ate of the fruit, b/c they run around naked all of the time (and do other stuff while people are watching:o )
 
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I appreciate to have nudism days for once a month during which the world have holidays. However i remind you that there are very beautiful drssed ladies occur here and there.Finally why we have masked parties or eyes floded sexes.Nudism is not allways beautiful and hard to beautiflied in some times.Clouds have shades and flowers have appearence . Like the gentle breeze that wiped on your faces.If those solemnized rocks are unseen then there is only one of our lonely lunars
 
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I persoonnaly find there is nothign wrong with it, and don't feel it is a sin either, god clothed adam and eve because they were ashamed of being naked not for the fact they were naked. It I feel isn't a sin because as pointed out we started naked and still start that way! Personnaly I think I may get bored with being naked all the time, I like clothes too much :p
 
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