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La Bonita Zorilla
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Not in public nudist areas or private nudist resorts.
Some years back at the University of California at Berkeley, a student attended classes nude and was known as "The Naked Guy". He was expelled, and rightfully so, as his practice constituted harrassment of other students, faculty, and staff. Now if he had limited his nudity to modeling for art classes where nude models are commonplace, then his actions would not have been inappropriate.
Consideration of others is the key to answering the question.
Some years back at the University of California at Berkeley, a student attended classes nude and was known as "The Naked Guy". He was expelled, and rightfully so, as his practice constituted harrassment of other students, faculty, and staff. Now if he had limited his nudity to modeling for art classes where nude models are commonplace, then his actions would not have been inappropriate.
Consideration of others is the key to answering the question.
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Rafael
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The Bible generally uses nudity as a symbol of bondage and shame after the fall. People were led away into captivity, naked and exposed to their enemies. Before it, Adam and Eve were not aware of their nudity as they had no knowledge other than what God had told them in the garden.
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I suppose the influence of public nudism is the key to understanding how it can be viewed as sin. The state of being undressed is not sin, rather the condition of the hearts of those in the environment.
Am i making sense?
Am i making sense?
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La Bonita Zorilla
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GJG said:
NOT EXACTLY. Do you agree w/ my comments on 'The naked Guy' above? I would say his actions were sinful in that by being unclothed where he was he was committing harrassment. Other than regarding a similar incident I don't see your point.
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La Bonita Zorilla said:
Sorry bout not Bing clear dude
Yeah, I do agree that the guy exposing his gentalia within the school limits is definitely sin.
What I meant was that as children we could run around naked without a second thought. Yet, at a certain point in time we began looking at that sort of behaviour as not so cool. In the shower however we are once again naked without a second thought.
What has changed?
In many other cultures, nudity is not considered a bad thing.
So I suppose the 'not having clothes on' isn't really the action that creates sin, rather it is the influence on others which may or may not cause sin.
Maybe? Just my thoughts. Wot U think?
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La Bonita Zorilla
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You can lust over a naked woman or a woman in a burkha; either way it's not her fault.
I've done some research on organized nudists; most are rather average people who prefer to commune with nature without constraint of clothing. A surprising number in the U.S. are military families who got into it while assigned to bases in Europe.
OTOH you have modern day Pharisees like the thuggish evangelist Ron Ovadahl who with his fellow wowsers attacks nudists in Wisconsin. Do a search on Wisconsin Christians United to see his website. It is truly bizarre. It appears to me the nudists are pretty normal folks but Ovadahl and his minions are pathological.
I've done some research on organized nudists; most are rather average people who prefer to commune with nature without constraint of clothing. A surprising number in the U.S. are military families who got into it while assigned to bases in Europe.
OTOH you have modern day Pharisees like the thuggish evangelist Ron Ovadahl who with his fellow wowsers attacks nudists in Wisconsin. Do a search on Wisconsin Christians United to see his website. It is truly bizarre. It appears to me the nudists are pretty normal folks but Ovadahl and his minions are pathological.
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Well said.
I'm currently studying artistic anatomy. When I look at a naked body now it's usually not with lust -- it's usually with disgust at why my drawing looks like a bizarro alien mutant instead of a beautiful human being! Clothed or naked, you can't ignore sex. But perhaps not paradoxically, when you've spent time trying to render the human figure as a paper or clay object, it becomes easier to see real people as persons, not sex objects.
-Neil
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IMHO it's circumstantial; it falls under the admonition that all things are permissable, but not all things are profitable or expedient. It's like the question: "Is spitting in public a sin?"
Spitting in contempt on a total stranger's shoe is probably a sin. Spitting in a hotel lobby is rude and inconsiderate, though perhaps only a venial sin. Spitting at tobacco-spitting contest is part of the fun.
-Neil
Spitting in contempt on a total stranger's shoe is probably a sin. Spitting in a hotel lobby is rude and inconsiderate, though perhaps only a venial sin. Spitting at tobacco-spitting contest is part of the fun.
-Neil
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La Bonita Zorilla
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GJG said:
On Main Street at Rush Hour except when public notice is given like when they are filming a movie, yes. In a designated nude recreation area or private enclave, no.
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I may have misinterpreted this, but having no clothes on is a sin? I tend to cringe when I see such things but that's crazy!
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Here's a better one. If after this life we become free from physical lusts will there be any more reason for wearing any clothes.
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Because it can cause others to lust after you or may cause you to lust after others, I believe being in a nudist area is a sin, I believe the only person that should see you naked is you wife or husband (a same sex doctor is fine imo).Arthur Dietrich said:
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i shall presume that we are using the Abrahamaic definition of sin, though you should know that sin really means "missing the mark".
in any event...
no, i do not think that it's a sin.
a sin implies a moral or ethical violation of which being nude isn't one. if it were, we'd have a lot fewer babies in the West than we see now.
in any case... it can be against the law, which doesn't equate to "sin" unless one is mistaking the judicial system with theology.
strangely enough... i spent one summer as a life guard at a nudist restort... the only ones that had to keep their clothes on were us! in any event, those folks were from all walks of life and professed all manner of religious belief. the only conclusion that i can make from the whole thing is this..
some folks shouldn't wear thongs.
i shall presume that we are using the Abrahamaic definition of sin, though you should know that sin really means "missing the mark".
in any event...
no, i do not think that it's a sin.
a sin implies a moral or ethical violation of which being nude isn't one. if it were, we'd have a lot fewer babies in the West than we see now.
in any case... it can be against the law, which doesn't equate to "sin" unless one is mistaking the judicial system with theology.
strangely enough... i spent one summer as a life guard at a nudist restort... the only ones that had to keep their clothes on were us!
in any event, those folks were from all walks of life and professed all manner of religious belief. the only conclusion that i can make from the whole thing is this..some folks shouldn't wear thongs.
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