Nudism

[Doug45]

ChristianCenturian,

Thanks for the heads up. Seems a bit complicated, but I am sure that I could understand it if I poured over it a little.

I am now convinced to let Jesus worry about my reputation.

God is good; all the time. Good God; bad devil.

Doug

 

[Natman]

The problem is that the majority don't always know what's good for them.

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tgg

Ain't it the truth?

The only way to get around this is through "education" and "enlightenment".

Since the primary reason for opposing acceptance of mere nakedness when it is most practical, (ie: the beach, running, jogging or working in warm weather, or just relaxing) is that people, particularly Christians, seem to think it is immoral and unacceptable to God. They cannot seem to break the erroneous bond between nudity and sexuality. (Although it is difficult to be sexual without being naked, it is VERY easy to be naked without being sexual.)

Reading and studying the entire scripture does not support the premise that nakedness is sinful, and infact, supports just the opposite.

If we could get people to actually OPEN their Bibles and READ them, this would soon disolve as an issue, in, and out of the Church.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

"Be NAKED, but do not SIN!" - Nathan Powers (2001)

 

[Natman]

Just thought of some more "positives" and at least one "negative" relating to generally accepting public nudity to add to my comments in post #751.

If everyone became accustomed to seeing other people naked, doing everyday tasks, such as working around the house, taking the dog for a walk, going for walks, running, jogging, sunbathing, surfing, washing the car, driving to or from work, WHY would they be inclined to go to a strip joint to pay high prices for watered down drinks and a cover charge, just to see some middle-aged woman covered in gaudy make-up get dressed so that she can get undressed?

I think those and many other "sexually oriented businesses" would all but shut down. I personally see that as a BIG POSITIVE. Getting rid of some of these businesses would also mean getting rid of some of the other illegal activities that always seem to gather around them, such as prostitution, gambling and racketeering. That's a HUGE POSITIVE.

However, there are those besides the S.O.B. owners and strippers that might be upset about that, such as the tax collectors that rely on revenues from such businesses to keep their city and state budgets afloat. (Of course God has a way of dealing with "tax collectors", doesn't He.)

Personally, I think the positive far outweigh any negatives.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers, Christian, Compassionate Conservative, and Pragmatic Naturist

"If God would have wanted us NAKED, He would have made us that way"

 

[Archivist]

I guess it's because there's 50 people in the street executing their right not to see nudity in public and 1 guy executing his right to be nude. 50/1.

So we should decide everything based on majority vote? I guess the US shouldn't have revolted against British rule in 1775 because the majority of colonists were either opposed to it or took no position.

 

[The Princess Bride]

I don't agree with public nudism.
Yes, our bodies were created in Gods' image. Adam and Eve were not clothed, UNTIL SIN ENTERED THE WORLD. The consequences of sin, brought the need for a covering. Just in the same way that our spirits need the covering of Christ's blood. God cannot stand sin. Therefore, it must be covered. Now I am not saying that He would be opposed to people walking around in the nude, but why would He go to the trouble of making Adam and Eve clothes when they realized they were naked and hid themselves? Although I honestly don't see much difference between the way so many women are drssing these days to if they were walking around nude. They certainly don't leave much to the imagination.

 

[Natman]

I don't agree with public nudism.
Yes, our bodies were created in Gods' image. Adam and Eve were not clothed, UNTIL SIN ENTERED THE WORLD. The consequences of sin, brought the need for a covering.

Yes. It created the need for periodic protection from the elements.

Just in the same way that our spirits need the covering of Christ's blood. God cannot stand sin. Therefore, it must be covered.

If you are referring to "sin", I most wholeheartly agree. In order for God to look upon us, our "sin" must be covered. That is accomplished through the shed blood of Jesus on the Cross. However, our bodies are not the problem. In fact the Bible says it is "IMPOSSIBLE" to hide any part of ourselves from God. So it doesn't matter how few or how many clothes we wear, God sees right through them into our hearts.

Now I am not saying that He would be opposed to people walking around in the nude, but why would He go to the trouble of making Adam and Eve clothes when they realized they were naked and hid themselves?

You just answerd you own question. "when they realized they were naked and hid themselves? " God made clothes because even though He is a "just" God, which required Him to banish them from the garden, He is also a "graceful" and "loving" God who knew they would need protection from less hospitable elements.

Although I honestly don't see much difference between the way so many women are drssing these days to if they were walking around nude. They certainly don't leave much to the imagination.

I agree with you here also. Although I think that, sometimes, women would be far less immodest (drawing atention to themselves and their sexual regions) or provocative if they were simply naked. Much of todays clothing appeals to men's desire to "uncover the mystery". They reveal ALMOST everything, but not quite, enticing men to wonder "what's under the remaining flap". Once they know, however, they are on to other conquests of knowledge.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[MQTA]

The Other People aren't as ashamed of their nudity

 

[aggie03]

So we should decide everything based on majority vote? I guess the US shouldn't have revolted against British rule in 1775 because the majority of colonists were either opposed to it or took no position.

Actually, the colonists shouldn't have revolted because the Scriptures say to be subject to the governing authorities.

And since you've brought it up...the loyalists and the dissidents were about equal. You really can't count people who don't make a decision - they aren't counted in Presidential elections or none of the candidates would ever get elected...maybe we should start doing that .

If decisions are going to be made in a purely democratic format, then yes the only way to make deicions is by majority rules. This is why there is no country in the entire world that has a pure democracy. That would be just about as bad and the other extreme.

How does all this relate to nudity? I don't know yet...I'll think about that for a little while...I yield the remainder of my time to my distinguished colleague, the senator from Nirgendwo.

 

[aggie03]

The Other People aren't as ashamed of their nudity

Simple because someone isn't ashamed of something doesn't mean that it is then right or okay to do. Is that what you were trying to say?

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Simple because someone isn't ashamed of something doesn't mean that it is then right or okay to do. Is that what you were trying to say?

Similarly, simply because someone IS ashamed of something that doesn't mean that it is wrong to do. I believe the point being made was that people think it's the wrong thing to do BECAUSE they are ashamed of it (although I may be wrong that that was the point being made).

 

[tgg]

Just thought of some more "positives" and at least one "negative" relating to generally accepting public nudity to add to my comments in post #751.

If everyone became accustomed to seeing other people naked, doing everyday tasks, such as working around the house, taking the dog for a walk, going for walks, running, jogging, sunbathing, surfing, washing the car, driving to or from work, WHY would they be inclined to go to a strip joint to pay high prices for watered down drinks and a cover charge, just to see some middle-aged woman covered in gaudy make-up get dressed so that she can get undressed?

It comes down to one simple truth: sex sells.

I think those and many other "sexually oriented businesses" would all but shut down. I personally see that as a BIG POSITIVE. Getting rid of some of these businesses would also mean getting rid of some of the other illegal activities that always seem to gather around them, such as prostitution, gambling and racketeering. That's a HUGE POSITIVE.

That's taking a bit of a hard swipe at things there. Prostitution is not illegal everywhere. What is legal and illegal can vary from state to state. Gambling might not be acceptable in Utah, but in Vegas it is a highly lauded activity and one that draws the tourist dollars in. Racketeering is definitely an activity that no decent member of the community supports.

I don't think that prostitution is going to go away if we became more liberal about nudity. Porn site operators also tend to make quite a substantial amount of money out of nudism and films that show young ladies walking the streets naked. They have strip clubs in France, Holland, Germany and Russia just as much as they have in America. The only diference is that in my opinion their women are much better looking and toned.

Let's face it, the market share for the supply and demand for pornographic literature is always going to exceed that of naturist literature. How many people would rather much appreciate the sight of Helen and Adonis naked than a bloated Darby and Joan?

However, there are those besides the S.O.B. owners and strippers that might be upset about that, such as the tax collectors that rely on revenues from such businesses to keep their city and state budgets afloat. (Of course God has a way of dealing with "tax collectors", doesn't He.)

Christ invited himself to tea with Zaccheus, much to the crowd's dismay. He did not condemn him, but rather caused him to admit to dishonest business ethics. Even when pressed to give his opinions about tax, Christ simply said 'render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar'.


tgg

 

[Natman]

It comes down to one simple truth: sex sells.

But if we analyse WHY sex sells, it becomes pretty plain to see that it is the male curiosity with the unknown (what's behind the dress, the slip and finaly the pink panties) that keeps us going back for more.

I don't think that prostitution is going to go away if we became more liberal about nudity.

I agree. I do not believe that ALL sexually oriented business including prostitution would go away, but I do believe they will be seriously reduced because the biggest part of the thrill (seeing someone naked) will be normalized.

Christ invited himself to tea with Zaccheus, much to the crowd's dismay. He did not condemn him, but rather caused him to admit to dishonest business ethics.

Precicely my pount. Christ did not comdemn him. He changed him permanantly. Just like He changed me.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[field0finnocence]

*ahem* the only sin is killing a mockingbird

 

[Natman]

*ahem* the only sin is killing a mockingbird

Let me guess... from that famous Mexican recipe...

"Tequilla Mockingbird"?



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[aggie03]

Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly.

 

[Natman]

If you have been following this thread, the is new thread and poll under outdoor activities. Please take a moment to answer the poll.

http://www.christianforums.com/t1994853-do-you-ever-enjoy-naturism.html

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[Natman]

This is VERY interesting.

As of this morning, August 23, 9:30AM, the poll mention in my last post is showing that 29.41% of the responders practice naturism all the time, and
47.06% practice naturism sometimes.
only 5.88% tried it but didn't like it.
only 17.65% stated they would never try it.

That's a whopping 76.47% positive response so far.

Son-cerely,
Nathan Powers

 

[Natman]

The number of responders to the poll that practice naturism has jumped to 86.5%.

The majority of posters appear to be male. Could we get some feedback from some of the female members as well please?

Thanks,
Nathan Powers

 

[californiaheathen]

Nudism is not something sexual and in fact, if a male is seen wandering about aroused, it is frowned upon and seen as offensive. The nudity is to connect with nature not to connect sexually.

 

[tgg]

Californianheathen,

Erections happen for a number of reasons. They don't have to be sexually induced.


tgg