I also know when someone is avoiding an issue by consistenly refusing to read a short article that would likely begin to answer many of her questions.
Nope,you are ducking.
You never showed how the chronological order of reading the epistles,would affect ones views.Not on a substantial way
But, I am glad that you finally answered the question about what it means to be free from the law. So, I assume from your answer that you reject the commonly held viewpoint that moral behavior has no bearing whatsoever on salvation.
Your wrong,the law increased the sin,when Paul tried to be 'moral"
Romans 7:
5
For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions,
aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death
If that is the case, then I think that we have a good beginning point for the discussion.
Since, Galatians is often used to support the notion
It is not a notion,it is scriptural,unless YOU CAN POST SCRIPTURE TO PROVE OTHERWISE.
Gal 2;
16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
because...
Galatians 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous
shall live by faith.”
that we can be saved simply by placing our faith in Jesus,
He said it himself..
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever
believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
thus, according to this idea, being freed from any obligation to behave in a certain way.
Sorry,you cant mix law and grace.
Romans 11:
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Unless you think you can use a little law,which means you think you are being perfected by the flesh!
Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being
perfected bythe flesh?
I submit to you that this notion comes from an erroneous interpretation of Galatians, which is based in part on a misunderstanding of what the Law is.
What is so hard yo understand what the law is?? It was added to increase the sin! Romans 5:
20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
In fact,it is the power of sin,
1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the
power of sin is the law.
It was a tutor,which is no longer.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are
no longer under a guardian,
While I do believe that we are saved by grace, through faith, I also believe that faith implies action -- not obedience to the Mosaic law, but a genuine desire to conduct oneself as a follower of Jesus Christ. A person reading Galatians from a first century perspective would understand that the Law that Paul is speaking of does not refer to a basic sense of right and wrong,
Incorrect.Paul said he would not know sin,right from wrong,apart from the law.
Romans 7:7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means!
Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
but rather to the specific actions under the Mosaic Law by which one marks himself as part of the Jewish community.
Prove It. show me scripture.It us clearly telling the church not to walk under law,a false gospel.That is a bit more than you are implying.Like it was all about the "community".
Galtians
6:1I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are
turning to a different gospel.
Paul is certainly not saying in Galatians that we now have no moral obligation in connection with our salvation. Although this point can be understood by a proper contextual reading of Galatians,
Then show me scripture where Paul tells Christians to walk under law.In fact,he says the law is NOT FOR CHRISTIANS.
1 Tim 1:
9 understanding this, that
the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers.
the point is made much clearer in Romans, especially in Romans chs. 2 and 6. This idea was further clarified by James and John in their epistles (See e.g., James 2 and 1 John 3). But, here we are talking about Paul. If we read Paul's epistles with an eye toward chronology, we find that in Galatians (and Ephesians, assuming that it was written around the same period), Paul is establishing the idea of salvation by grace, through faith. On way of reading the chronology here is that, as Paul began to see how the Church abused and misinterpreted this doctrine to allow for liscentiousness, he realized the need to clarify what the doctrine entailed: freedom from the Law of Moses (or any other moral code) as a means of attaining salvation is, in no way a license to behave as one chooses.
The answer was not the law though was it? Paul always knew some would misunderstand grace.Ortwist it.He often would raise a question,then answer it,but unless you can show mw a change in the justification/grace message,then you still have not made much of a case.Paul knew what the carnal mind might perceive,so he asked this,then answered.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
Rather, it is freedom to live a life of righteousness, not of licentiousness. In fact, as he alludes to in Galatians 5, one who is saved will necessarily live according to one set of principles (love, joy, peace, pateince, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self, control) instead of another set of principles (fornication, impurity, . . . enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, etc.).
And notice how he said it did not come by law,the destroying of flesh.
Gal 5:
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit,
you are not under the law.
Which is confirmed here,Sin dominates under law,NOT GRACE.
Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
It stands to reason that person whose conduct reflects the latter, rather than the former, is not saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
You will have to post scripture to show that it is not by faith alone.Show me where Paul said that please?
Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is
justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Although this point is made reasonably clear in Galatians, it is clarified and expanded in later Pauline (and non-Pauline) epistles.
When we ignore context and chronology, we face some apparent contradictions between various of Paul's epistles (e.g., Eph. 2:8-9 v. Romans 6).
Show the contradicitons
When we read Paul's arguments from a 1st Century perspective and in proper chronology, we find that there is no contradiction at all.
show all this please
I hope this helps somewhat. FTR, this is my own opinion, not necessarily (and probably not) that of N.T. Wright. I repeat to you that if you genuinely want an answer to your question (which I am beginning to doubt very highly), you should read some or all of the articles on his website that address the ministry of Paul, perhaps beginning with the one that I have now linked to on three separate occassions. In fact, I would go so far as to say that, if you continue to refuse to read said articles, your disingenuousness should be taken for granted, and there exists no further point in continuing this discussion.
No,your just "expounding" but not proving.
