Nrsv

[ByTheSpirit]

Anyone use this translation often? I've heard good things about it but also it is a "Catholic" Bible. Nothing against catholics, but that is what I've heard. What are the major differences with the NRSV and say the ESV? They seem to be almost identical to me in what I've seen, perhaps with the ESV being just a tad, I mean a hair's width more loose in translation...

 

[Frogster]

I like mine, but they destroy Gal 4, they make it seem like the heir is still a child. As you know, Paul talks about being a child, as the one under law, in the elementals, as he showed the mature sons, are the way to be now, so the child word of 4:3 in the NASB, still gets used afterwards, where we are not the mature sons, not good.

NRSV Gal 4:6And because you are children, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our* hearts, crying, ‘Abba!* Father!’ 7So you are no longer a slave but a child, and if a child then also an heir, through God


ESV6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Here is a good link to a NRSV site, it works good.


New Testament

 

[FerventDisciple]

It's notorious for being the liberal's Bible and went further than the RSV and introduced gender neutral language that goes further than others e.g NIV11. It's one of the reasons the ESV came about, those who liked the RSV wanted a conservative revision that didn't have gender neutral language and fixed areas such as in Isaiah with virgin replacing young woman. I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than a reference.

 

[Frogster]

It's notorious for being the liberal's Bible and went further than the RSV and introduced gender neutral language that goes further than others e.g NIV11. It's one of the reasons the ESV came about, those who liked the RSV wanted a conservative revision that didn't have gender neutral language and fixed areas such as in Isaiah with virgin replacing young woman. I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than a reference.

I also have an old RSV

My new NRSV has a labyrinth picture on the back inside cover.

There is something in the old version, out of Genesis, where they favor one of the creation theories, old earth, new earth, or something like that.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

It's notorious for being the liberal's Bible and went further than the RSV and introduced gender neutral language that goes further than others e.g NIV11. It's one of the reasons the ESV came about, those who liked the RSV wanted a conservative revision that didn't have gender neutral language and fixed areas such as in Isaiah with virgin replacing young woman. I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than a reference.

I was hoping you would comment brother thank you and you too frogster

 

[Frogster]

I was hoping you would comment brother thank you and you too frogster

You're welcome.

Oh yeah, Psalm 8 in the NRSV shows more how it was about mankind there, to connect it with Hebrews 2 better. I know you know that, just pointing it out for the interest of the thread.

 

[NorrinRadd]

It's notorious for being the liberal's Bible ...

It's also known as the scholar's Bible.

...and went further than the RSV and introduced gender neutral language...

One person's "gender neutral" is another person's "gender accurate."

that goes further than others e.g NIV11. It's one of the reasons the ESV came about, those who liked the RSV wanted a conservative revision that didn't have gender neutral language and fixed areas such as in Isaiah with virgin replacing young woman.

In spite of being pushed by ultra-conservative patriarchy-inclined evangelicals, the ESV is considerably more gender-accurate than the RSV, though not going as far as NRSV.

As for the other, it is debatable whether it is legitimate to regard that as a "fix."

I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than a reference.

I wouldn't recommend any single version or translation. With the plethora that are easily and affordably available, one should always have at hand several, from different points along the translation spectrum from "formal" through "mediating" to "functional."

In How to Choose a Translation for all its Worth, Fee and Strauss consider the NRSV the best from the "formal" end of the spectrum, while the NAS95 is good for giving the reader an idea of the form and structure of the underlying Greek and Hebrew/Aramaic. The TNIV is the best "mediating" translation (Fee acknowledges being on the translation committee; NIV2011 was not yet published when the book was written.); NET and NAB (different from NASB) are also very good. NLT is preferred among "functional" versions, but several others are also good.

NRSV makes some interesting choices, including very early on, in Gen. 1:2. It has a wind from God sweeping over the waters, where most have the Spirit of God moving or hovering over the waters.

 

[geetrue]

Why take chance of reading something men included in the Bible instead of the Holy Spirit:

In 1977 this collection was issued in an expanded edition, containing three additional texts received by Eastern Orthodox communions (3 and 4 Maccabees and Psalm 151)

The Holy Bible: New Revised Standard Version. (1989). . Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

For the book of Tobit it was decided to follow the form of the Greek text found in codex Sinaiticus

For the three Additions to Daniel (namely, Susanna, the Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Jews, and Bel and the Dragon) the Committee continued to use the Greek version attributed to Theodotion

In translating Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), while constant reference was made to the Hebrew fragments of a large portion of this book (those discovered at Qumran and Masada as well as those recovered from the Cairo Geniza), the Committee generally followed the Greek text

The basic text adopted in rendering 2 Esdras is the Latin version supplemented by consulting the Latin text

In 2 Esdras 7, the chapter was originally numbered with verses 1 through 70. Additional material was added by the translators between verses 35 and 36. The rest of the verses in the chapter were then renumbered with verses 36 to 70 now being numbered as verses 106 to 140.

Do you really want to read the extra books added? Do you have the time to explore? Do you have time to wonder?

I don't have any intentions of reading the RSV or The NRSV or the other bibles that add on and explain their simple explanations.

Reader beware of being misled

 

[NorrinRadd]

Why take chance of reading something men included in the Bible instead of the Holy Spirit:

-- (assorted allusions to the Apocrypha/Deuterocanon) --


Do you really want to read the extra books added? Do you have the time to explore? Do you have time to wonder?

I don't have any intentions of reading the RSV or The NRSV or the other bibles that add on and explain their simple explanations.

Reader beware of being misled

So you also don't use the KJV, NKJV, or ESV, right?

 

[geetrue]

So you also don't use the KJV, NKJV, or ESV, right?

You know what I'm talking about ... the extra books!

Not the translations or the language or the preference to the names of God.

The books that weren't included are a distraction from the gospel to go tell the truth about Jesus.

Jesus doesn't want us to be arm chair Christians ... he wants someone he can use. See three versions of Romans 12 are just fine with me, but the extra books I have problems with.

Romans 12:1-2 NRSV

The New Life in Christ
I appeal to you therefore, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect.

King James Version Romans Chapter 12:1-2

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

New Century Version Romans 12: 1-2
Give Your Lives to God

So brothers and sisters, since God has shown us great mercy, I beg you to offer your lives as a living sacrifice to him. Your offering must be only for God and pleasing to him, which is the spiritual way for you to worship. Do not be shaped by this world; instead be changed within by a new way of thinking. Then you will be able to decide what God wants for you; you will know what is good and pleasing to him and what is perfect.

 

[NorrinRadd]

You know what I'm talking about ... the extra books!

Not the translations or the language or the preference to the names of God.

The books that weren't included are a distraction from the gospel to go tell the truth about Jesus.

Jesus doesn't want us to be arm chair Christians ... he wants someone he can use. See three versions of Romans 12 are just fine with me, but the extra books I have problems with.

Romans 12:1-2 NRSV




King James Version Romans Chapter 12:1-2



New Century Version Romans 12: 1-2
Give Your Lives to God

Ok. All the ones I cited, INCLUDING THE NRSV, are available WITH OR WITHOUT the "extra books."

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Why take chance of reading something men included in the Bible instead of the Holy Spirit:

Do you really want to read the extra books added? Do you have the time to explore? Do you have time to wonder?

I don't have any intentions of reading the RSV or The NRSV or the other bibles that add on and explain their simple explanations.

Reader beware of being misled

You know the KJV was first issued with the "extra books" and there are other modern translations that do the same....

 

[geetrue]

You know the KJV was first issued with the "extra books" and there are other modern translations that do the same....

Do you have a cite for this? Not that I know of ...

 

[ByTheSpirit]

here's one...

Apocrypha - Old Testament Bible History

the KJV and Good News Translation are on there with the NRSV

 

[ByTheSpirit]

english standard version

English Standard Version Bible with Apocrypha: Oxford University Press: 9780195289107: Amazon.com: Books

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Bibles with Apocrypha « Better Bibles Blog

more still.... I think I've proven my point.

 

[geetrue]

Okay, I thought you meant the authorized KJV version not the amazon ones, so sorry, but still a waste of time to read unless your bored with the parts written in red that is.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Okay, I thought you meant the authorized KJV version not the amazon ones, so sorry, but still a waste of time to read unless your bored with the parts written in red that is.

Why don't you let us know in advance that you're not only AV-only, but a Red-Letter-Onlyist, so we know now to waste time trying to have a meaningful conversation with you?

 

[James Is Back]

Is there a version of the NSRV that doesn't have the apocrypha?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Im sure there is. I dont use the NRSV but if you look hard enough I'm sure such a copy exists. Even if it doesn't just ignore the extra books or read them just not as you would scripture you know? Treat them like a book you would read from a well known minister, like Francis Chan or Derek Prince, etc. Not scripture, but still valuable and informative I hope you find what you look for