Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

[Factotum]

The law does not require "physical surrendering gestures" for shipwrecked people. Being shipwrecked is sufficient...

I think that it stands to reason, your great idea pertains to peaceful maritime cruise across the seas. I can't see how it also protects pirates, drug runners, etc... when using the seas as a tool to break the law. Especially when they are cognizant of how their criminality kills multitudes of humans.

 

[Bradskii]

I think that it stands to reason, your great idea pertains to peaceful maritime cruise across the seas. I can't see how it also protects pirates, drug runners, etc... when using the seas as a tool to break the law. Especially when they are cognizant of how their criminality kills multitudes of humans.

Good heavens, man. We're not talking about someone whose yacht has hit a reef. We are talking about how it is illegal even in wartime to kill shipwrecked survivors. Would you argue against this sort of cold blooded killing if it was on land? Why ever would you? The principle is the same. It's bad guys delivering drugs.

What difference does it make blowing up their truck as opposed to their boat? No warning. No due process. Just kill them all. And if a couple manage to survive, then give it an hour or so and if they're still alive then wander over and shoot them in the head.

 

[7thKeeper]

I think that it stands to reason, your great idea pertains to peaceful maritime cruise across the seas. I can't see how it also protects pirates, drug runners, etc... when using the seas as a tool to break the law. Especially when they are cognizant of how their criminality kills multitudes of humans.

Im not sure what you are trying to argue here or how it logically relates to what you quoted. The examples given before and the topic make it clear that we aren't talking about just peaceful maritime events. And I'm not sure how "no physical surrendering gestures required" makes you think "oh this must apply only to peaceful maritime". If a military vessel has blown up a pirate boat and there are survivors in water, yes, they should be picked up. Heck, the British understood this and picked up the survivors of Bismarck, and this was after they'd blown up the Hood.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Heck, the British understood this and picked up the survivors of Bismarck, and this was after they'd blown up the Hood.

Yes, but those survivors were just nazis, they weren't drug dealers.

 

[Servus]

It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: Killing men who are survivors at sea.

There's an awfully big difference between condoning an immoral act and not seeing something as an immoral act based on what's known at the time.

 

[7thKeeper]

Yes, but those survivors were just nazis, they weren't drug dealers.

Oh right. Dressed way more sharply too.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Oh right. Dressed way more sharply too.

We need more Hugo Boss in our uniforms.

 

[Servus]

We need more Hugo Boss in our uniforms.

Actually while the Hugo Boss company produced Nazi uniforms, they were designed by SS-Oberführer Prof. Karl Diebitsch and graphic designer Walter Heck.

 

[Always in His Presence]

No, the two men we're talking about weren't even in a boat. They were floundering around in the water. Hanging on to a wrecked boat. For an hour, for heaven's sake. People watched them for an hour and then somone decided to kill them.

How you can try to excuse this is beyond belief.

I was just exposing the flaws in your dramatic response.

 

[Always in His Presence]

It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: Killing men who are survivors at sea.

I was addressing the flaw in his dramatic response.

 

[Larniavc]

Well, I'd say that the survivors were 'actively trying' not to drown. Just make a mental note that the orders were not 'prevent these drugs from getting to the US'. It was literally 'kill them all'. That's the position you have to square with your conscience.

No doubt Daytime TV news announcer, multiple divorcee, alcohol enthusiast and inveterate adulterer felt threatened by the up and down bobbing motion of the floundering ex sailors.

 

[Factotum]

Good heavens, man. We're not talking about someone whose yacht has hit a reef. We are talking about how it is illegal even in wartime to kill shipwrecked survivors. Would you argue against this sort of cold blooded killing if it was on land? Why ever would you? The principle is the same. It's bad guys delivering drugs.

What difference does it make blowing up their truck as opposed to their boat? No warning. No due process. Just kill them all. And if a couple manage to survive, then give it an hour or so and if they're still alive then wander over and shoot them in the head.

When perps are in the act of committing [Schedule I] drug trafficking, the perp is responsible for all casualties which occur in that satanic process.

 

[BCP1928]

There's an awfully big difference between condoning an immoral act and not seeing something as an immoral act based on what's known at the time.

Correct. The Navy shot those people and did not necessarily see it as an immoral act at the time. We can't know what was in their hearts then..

Why do you condone it?

 

[Always in His Presence]

This all started with a lie -

Hegseth said "kill them all" - Now the narrative has changed.

The decision was made by a career Navel Commander along side a JAG officer as consultant for the following reasons (AI)

• Survivors deemed "still in the fight" due to potential communication with other boats: Officials stated the two survivors were observed possibly radioing for help from suspected cartel members or other vessels in the area, making them active threats rather than incapacitated.
• Salvaging drugs from the wreckage: The survivors were reportedly attempting to recover portions of the boat's cocaine cargo (estimated at $50 million), which could have allowed the drugs to enter circulation and fund further cartel activities.
• Ensuring complete destruction of the boat to eliminate navigational and operational threats: The strike was authorized to fully sink the vessel, preventing it from posing a hazard to other ships or allowing any remaining elements (e.g., drugs or equipment) to be reused by traffickers.
• Compliance with pre-established Pentagon contingency plans for survivor scenarios: The action followed internal military protocols developed before the campaign began, which allowed re-engagement if survivors exhibited hostile actions, such as communication or recovery efforts.
• Alignment with broader directive to neutralize all threats on board: Admiral Frank Bradley, under guidance from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, acted to "eliminate the threat" comprehensively, as part of a strategy framing drug cartels as combatants in a "non-international armed conflict." This included destroying the drugs to disrupt cartel funding for weapons.

 

[DaisyDay]

We’re the drug runners in a life boat?

Not even. They were in the cold water and had been for the better part of an hour. Have you ever been in the cold vast sea? Raising arms over the head would tend to push said head under the water with their wet clothes pulling them down even faster.

 

[Factotum]

Im not sure what you are trying to argue here or how it logically relates to what you quoted...

I think I'm sure what you are defending here, as it illogically shows compassion for people who hate us Americans so much to whereas they risk their lives to gleefully deliver fatal [Schedule I] substances for multitudes of vulnerable Americans to fatally ingest.

I've lost people who I love, to the type of substances on the darn boat!! So please forgive me sir, as I work hard locating my compassion like you have for the perps. So far, I've been unsuccessful in my search.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not even. They were in the cold water and had been for the better part of an hour. Have you ever been in the cold vast sea? Raising arms over the head would tend to push said head under the water with their wet clothes pulling them down even faster.

No - but I have been in the Caribbean. I've also not tried salvaging 50 million dollars worth of narcotics.

 

[Postvieww]

If many who shout their moral outrage over the treatment of terrorist drug dealers had the same amount of moral outrage about the lefts treatment of Trump it would be more believable. Actually we all know it is really not about concern for drug dealers it is about damaging Trump and his administration. I believe the word is hypocrisy.

 

[BCP1928]

I think I'm sure what you are defending here, as it illogically shows compassion for people who hate us Americans so much to whereas they risk their lives to gleefully deliver fatal [Schedule I] substances for multitudes of vulnerable Americans to fatally ingest.

I've lost people who I love, to the type of substances on the darn boat!! So please forgive me sir, as I work hard locating my compassion like you have for the perps. So far, I've been unsuccessful in my search.

Given your grotesque and imaginary characterization of the "perps" I doubt that you will ever be successful.

 

[comana]

This all started with a lie -

Hegseth said "kill them all" - Now the narrative has changed.

The decision was made by a career Navel Commander along side a JAG officer as consultant for the following reasons (AI)

• Survivors deemed "still in the fight" due to potential communication with other boats: Officials stated the two survivors were observed possibly radioing for help from suspected cartel members or other vessels in the area, making them active threats rather than incapacitated.
• Salvaging drugs from the wreckage: The survivors were reportedly attempting to recover portions of the boat's cocaine cargo (estimated at $50 million), which could have allowed the drugs to enter circulation and fund further cartel activities.
• Ensuring complete destruction of the boat to eliminate navigational and operational threats: The strike was authorized to fully sink the vessel, preventing it from posing a hazard to other ships or allowing any remaining elements (e.g., drugs or equipment) to be reused by traffickers.
• Compliance with pre-established Pentagon contingency plans for survivor scenarios: The action followed internal military protocols developed before the campaign began, which allowed re-engagement if survivors exhibited hostile actions, such as communication or recovery efforts.
• Alignment with broader directive to neutralize all threats on board: Admiral Frank Bradley, under guidance from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, acted to "eliminate the threat" comprehensively, as part of a strategy framing drug cartels as combatants in a "non-international armed conflict." This included destroying the drugs to disrupt cartel funding for weapons.

AI summaries are useless without accompanying sources.