Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

[iluvatar5150]

Why are you trying to discuss these things if you have no idea what anyone is talking about without them spoon feeding it to you?

 

[MarcusGregor]

Hegseth cites 'fog of war' in defending follow-on strike on alleged drug boat

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth cited the “fog of war” in defending a follow-up strike on an alleged drug-carrying boat in the Caribbean Sea earlier this year.

apnews.com

Fog of... something.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Like... Do you guys watch\read the news or go anywhere on the internet other than these forums? Why are you trying to discuss these things if you have no idea what anyone is talking about without them spoon feeding it to you? You're at least the third poster I've seen ask for "proof" or evidence of things that have been clearly confirmed to be true and all over media.

Nope. I live in a chocolate factory.

 

[Bradskii]

Hegseth cites 'fog of war' in defending follow-on strike on alleged drug boat

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth cited the “fog of war” in defending a follow-up strike on an alleged drug-carrying boat in the Caribbean Sea earlier this year.

apnews.com

Fog of... something.

From the link:

'Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

The man is an idiot.

 

[Belk]

From the link:

'Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

The man is an idiot.

Makes them easier to throw under the bus when Trump is through with them.

 

[Say it aint so]

From the link:

'Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

The man is an idiot.

Yes he is an idiot. And he is emblematic of this whole admin. They claim the US is in war against Narco terrorists. There was one strike where they didn't manage to kill everyone on board. They scooped up the survivors. Did they send them to Gitmo? Because you know that's what becomes of enemy combatants. No, they didn't. They released them back home. Why did they do that? I am not a lawyer, but it seems those in Gitmo are afforded lawyers. I kind of think they didn't want those who survived accessible to divulge who they actually were, or weren't.

 

[Perpetual Student]

How about you give us a statement as regards your position on the morality of that? Or do you still need to wait to find out who was responsible?

Wait until they somehow can put the blame on Obama, Biden or Hillary Clinton. Then you'll see how wrong the second strike was.

 

[Bradskii]

But you forgot to answer the question as to whether a second strike was justified if there were survivors.

How about you give us a statement as regards your position on the morality of that? Or do you still need to wait to find out who was responsible?

@Oompa Loompa: So is this morally abhorrent?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

@Oompa Loompa: So is this morally abhorrent?

I apologize for the late reply. I often get swamped with notifications and cannot keep track of it all. But to answer your question, if there were survivors and those survivors were positively identified, and those survivors were not still actively trying to resist (like trying to salvage drugs), it would be both morally and legally wrong to kill them. But as I get more information about the topic, it appears that the situation isnt so simple.

 

[Bradskii]

I apologize for the late reply. I often get swamped with notifications and cannot keep track of it all. But to answer your question, if there were survivors and those survivors were positively identified, and those survivors were not still actively trying to resist (like trying to salvage drugs), it would be both morally and legally wrong to kill them. But as I get more information about the topic, it appears that the situation isnt so simple.

Well, I'd say that the survivors were 'actively trying' not to drown. Just make a mental note that the orders were not 'prevent these drugs from getting to the US'. It was literally 'kill them all'. That's the position you have to square with your conscience.