Nothing stranger than fact

[stranger]

It is indeed strange that in search for a simple understanding of just what ine can observe that scientists know that they need now to consider the idea of parallel 'universes'...

the word itself 'universe' has thus lost it's original intended meaning in this, but that is not the strangest thing... these other places do not have to be anything like our 'universe' at all, they can be completely different in nature, have different rules of 'Physics' than ours...

So my thoughts inevitably are that could not God inhabit one of these, could that not be how He is separate from us now ... in a universe called 'paradise' which is completely reversible [where ours is apparently irreversible, making time flow one way apparently, giving us our idea that conciousness is like a stream flowing past us in a sequence in time...]

Then that would be a perfect 'universe' and when the time came for what we are to ente it , then there would indeed have to be massive changes at energies man can only dream of managing such as would shake the heavens and the earth as in scripture , and even roll away this heavens and the elements melt i ferveny heat....

These parts of scripture point to God wielding so much power that He can do mosre than rent the fabric of space-time as science still dreams of investigating experimentally... how much beyond man's wielding of energy then is God? ... the difference is staggering, we are as nothing in understanding or sheer control and exetent of energy available for creation and destruction... but have we finally at least realised a possible correlate between pure Physics and God?

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

It's an interesting idea, and maybe a possibility. The problem is, no matter how close we get, I don't think God will allow us to discover his nature of existance or prove his reality until all on Earth are perfect. It would destroy belief, and therefore the whole nature and purpose of religion.

 

[stranger]

No chance of that, no-one even expects a basic M-theory established within ten years anthe worl crisis is due in under five [ http://www.dieoff.com/ ]... so there ain't time, no-one is going to be researching alternate universes when they have no job and can't get enough food to eat...

As for the purpose of religion , that clearly cannot be to bring belief else God could easily have done it in a day and we would not still be waiting for all His truth by His spirit some 2 millenia almost after Jesus' death...

Thus youwill find in scripture that the purpose of religion is the delusion of mankind so that we worship a false image of Christ , so that the antichrist believes man worshis him alone and declares himself above God... the final prophesied event before the return of Jesus...

thus religionists are bound to die and be resurrected at the second resurrection alongside allother 'unbelievers' simple because God caused them to believe in the false image of Christ and false gospel of christianity [I say fales because scipture tells us that Jesus is the messiah of israel and the gospel of the enw covenant is in Heb 8:8-11, but that isn't anything like what is taught in church to be the gospel...]

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

God also could have easily made us so that we would never stray from him or sin. But he didn't. So why would he just make everyone believe?

As for the rest of what you said....you so completely lost me.

 

[stranger]

Faith and belief come only from God by His grace, an unearned gift from God[right?], no-one comes to Jesus except those whom God draws to him...

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Now read the new covenant Heb 8:8-11 carefully, see that it is unconditional , no-one to whom it is addressed has to do anything, God does it all ... read it again to be sure ... then look at to whom only it is addressed....

Now compare that with whatever your church says is the gospel and try to work out why the churches teach a different gospel than Jesus did [the other part of Jesus' true gospel is that he is the Messiah of Israel, see if your church teaches that too, probably not ... everyone has to decide whether to believe the church traditions or the scripture, because they are DIFFERENT]

So what in scripture explains WHY the whole gamut of christian churches has fallen away , why has Gd abandonned them with His spirit and left them following different vbeliefs so that they are so divided [into denominations, sects, creeds, churches] ... in particular how on earth did the churches come to teach a different gospel than that of Jesus Christ? and WHY?

Jesus has said in scripture taht he will assemble his church of royal priests at his return, so why are there people calling themselves priests of the new covenant who are not of the House of Israel in modern churches taking money off people for their own comfortable lifestyle whilst the poor go hungry ?

Something has gne very wrong, no-one receives the baptism of the spirit in churches, baptism that one needs for the kingdom of God...

But one can hardly believe that God didn't know that this would happen... and indeed it is indeed explained that it will and why in 2 Thessalonians 2

Now God could easily have poured out His spirit on everyone on one day and we should all have known the truth and most be sayed, but He clearly has not done that , else we would not still be waiting for all His truth by His spirit some 2 millenia almost after Jesus' death... so does that not need explaining? the scripture does explain it

Thus you will find in scripture that the purpose of religion is indeed what we can see has happened in the churches ,the delusion of mankind so that we worship a false image of Christ and a false gospel is preached , so that the antichrist [Satan manifested as a man] comes to believe that all mankind worships him ... and so declares himself above God... the final prophesied event before the return of Jesus...

thus religionists running the churches are bound to die and be resurrected at the second resurrection [not the first, as they claim]alongside all other 'unbelievers' .... simple because God caused them to believe in the false image of Christ and false gospel of christianity [I say false because scipture tells us that Jesus is the Messiah of israel and the gospel of the new covenant is in Heb 8:8-11, but that isn't anything like what is taught in church to be the gospel...]

 

[Locrian]

It is indeed strange that in search for a simple understanding of just what ine can observe that scientists know that they need now to consider the idea of parallel 'universes'...

There is no evidence - none, not a shred - that there are parallel universes. The evidence for the "dieoff" in that link is also particularly poor. I'm suprised that a thread that is supposedly about strange facts is instead filled often repeated fiction.

 

[stranger]

There is no evidence - none, not a shred - that there are parallel universes. The evidence for the "dieoff" in that link is also particularly poor. I'm suprised that a thread that is supposedly about strange facts is instead filled often repeated fiction.

Scientists developed the theory because there are facts that cannot be explained any other way.... that is the evidence for it, there is no better theory, no adequate simpler theory...

Also one may come to understand that inspiration for such theories comes frm God because such men as spend their lives looking at such theories are indeed searching for very exact truth....

Also the main relevant data at dieoff.org is just a copy of articles that have been published in several of the most prestigious scientific journals after thorough review , how can you say such nonsense about them ??? ... this is the most important one :-

THE END OF CHEAP OIL
by Colin J. Campbell and Jean H. Laherrère,
Scientific American, March 1998
http://www.dieoff.com/page140.htm

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

There is no evidence - none, not a shred - that there are parallel universes. The evidence for the "dieoff" in that link is also particularly poor. I'm suprised that a thread that is supposedly about strange facts is instead filled often repeated fiction.

And there is even less evidence that any other scietific theory of the nature of the universe is true. String theory not only explains everything in a way that no other theory can touch, it also requires the existence of alternate universes and something like 9 dimentions if I remember correctly. No offense, but I would suggest doing some research and learning a little bit about what you are posting about before you post about it, let alone attack it.

 

[stranger]

And there is even less evidence that any other scietific theory of the nature of the universe is true. String theory not only explains everything in a way that no other theory can touch, it also requires the existence of alternate universes and something like 9 dimentions if I remember correctly. No offense, but I would suggest doing some research and learning a little bit about what you are posting about before you post about it, let alone attack it.

Good advice ... but i would also say that attacking things is hardly the right approach either since it also rather infers that one has made up one's mind beforehand...

[incidentally your memory did not serve you right, there are 11 dimensions in string theory, the more familair 4 of space-tiime theory and seven collapsed thus-not-very-aparent dimensions ,so tiny that they all smaller than atomic dimennsions and we mostly do not notice them except in their effects which are very apparent but not yet understood very well...

 

[Locrian]

And there is even less evidence that any other scietific theory of the nature of the universe is true. String theory not only explains everything in a way that no other theory can touch,

The above statement is patently untrue. There is a vast amount of evidence for other scientific theories, such as Quantum Mechanics, for example. String physics has never predicted any observable, ever. There is the looming possibility that it never will. Therefore, string physics explains nothing.

You can be assured I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Locrian]

Scientists developed the theory because there are facts that cannot be explained any other way.... that is the evidence for it, there is no better theory, no adequate simpler theory...

You are clearly unfamiliar with the multiple universe hypothesis. There is absolutely no evidence for any of them, at all. Go get a copy of JHEP and take a look. For the time being, it is all speculation, and nothing more.

Also the main relevant data at dieoff.org is just a copy of articles that have been published in several of the most prestigious scientific journals

First off, scientific american is not a presitigious scientific journal. It is not even a scientific journal. Secondly, most of his sources are reasonable. That does not mean his conclusion is.

 

[Locrian]

it also requires the existence of alternate universes and something like 9 dimentions if I remember correctly.

You don't remember correctly. I would suggest doing a little bit of research and knowing at least a little bit about what you are posting about.

 

[stranger]

"First off, scientific american is not a presitigious scientific journal"


Nobody said it is...

 

[Locrian]

Also the main relevant data at dieoff.org is just a copy of articles that have been published in several of the most prestigious scientific journals after thorough review , how can you say such nonsense about them ??? ... this is the most important one :-

Scientific American, March 1998

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