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[OldWiseGuy]

Using the normal definition of faith, there is no faith required to accept science. Trust based on a proven track record, is more like it.

I meant people who believe it but don't understand it must have faith that it is true.

 

[bhsmte]

I meant people who believe it but don't understand it must have faith that it is true.

They can still have trust based on the fact they rely on science, every hour of every day of their life and it works.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They can still have trust based on the fact they rely on science, every hour of every day of their life and it works.

I rely on the knowledge of science and the knowledge of God. What is little understood even by many Christians is that the body of practical knowledge in the bible is enormous, and all directed at providing happiness, safety, health, soundness of mind, and even prosperity; none of which seem to be very important these days.

 

[bhsmte]

I rely on the knowledge of science and the knowledge of God. What is little understood even by many Christians is that the body of practical knowledge in the bible is enormous, and all directed at providing happiness, safety, health, soundness of mind, and even prosperity; none of which seem to be very important these days.

Well, you can make it important, correct? Do you need everyone to be just like you?

 

[rjs330]

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Scriptural knowledge must come by finding agreement with other verses, other witnesses. In the last days God is going to pour out His Spirit upon all flesh.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:

God's Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Jhn 15:26

When God pours out His Spirit of Truth upon atheists agnostics and phonies, Can you tell us HOW God will convince the unbelievers? Is it through the discoveries Science? If not, then please tell us your idea of HOW His Truth will get to them.

Once again look at the passage not just the verse. It tells you things that will happen.
“These people ar en’t drunk, as you suppose — it’s only nine in the morning.No, this is what was spoken about through the prophet Yo’el:‘Adonai says: “In the Last Days, I will pour out from my Spirit upon everyone. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.Even on my slaves, both men and women, will I pour out from my Spirit in those days; and they will prophesy.I will perform miracles in the sky above and signs on the earth below — blood, fire and thick smoke.The sun will become dark and the moon blood before the great and fearful Day of Adonai comes.And then, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved.”’ - Acts 2:15-21 Bible Gateway passage: Acts 2:15-21 - Complete Jewish Bible

God Poor's his spirit out and the stuff listed in the prophecy happens. What happened at the day of Pentecost was a fulfillment of the prophecy. Other things will happen such as blood fire and thick smoke. The moon turns to blood. This isn't the only time this is mentioned. Jesus spoke of the same things. More is spoken of in Revelation
The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,and said to the mountains and rocks, “ Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?” - Revelation 6:14-17 Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 6:14-17 - Complete Jewish Bible

It's not through science and specifically it's not through evolution. It's through the signs and wonders and judgements of God.

The other part if this is people are made aware if the truth through us. The gospel is truth and it is shared by us. Whether people believe and follow the truth is between them and God. And as we see not all who are told and/or see the truth believe and follow.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well, you can make it important, correct? Do you need everyone to be just like you?

I wish everyone was as fortunate as me regarding the above. But it seems most have made up their minds to go in a different direction.

 

[VirOptimus]

I wish everyone was as fortunate as me regarding the above. But it seems most have made up their minds to go in a different direction.

I dont follow the bible or even care about it at all and Im happy, healthy and prosperous.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I know what evolution states. That's our point. No one is claiming evolution makes claims of sudden gigantic leaps. Yet the leaps are gigantic but done over such a long period of time that it cannot be observed or tested or validated. All evolution has is gigantic leaps with no way to show the long process and no evidence of the long process of those major changes.

There are multiple independent lines of evidence for progressive evolutionary change.

I'm guessing then you would prescibe to the idea that man may one day be able to jump the Mississippi River should the right evolution occur.

False analogy. Again.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I dont follow the bible or even care about it at all and Im happy, healthy and prosperous.

Most of humanity is not. Welcome to our little club.

 

[rjs330]

There are multiple independent lines of evidence for progressive evolutionary change.

False analogy. Again.

Why is it false? Did not we go from common ancestry of living in primordial ooze to flying across the world in jet airplanes? That's just as big as jumping the Mississippi if not bigger.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Why is it false? Did not we go from common ancestry of living in primordial ooze to flying across the world in jet airplanes? That's just as big as jumping the Mississippi if not bigger.

You can't jump the Mississippi by an accumulation of small hops.

 

[bhsmte]

I wish everyone was as fortunate as me regarding the above. But it seems most have made up their minds to go in a different direction.

I have a feeling, others who disagree with you, feel they are fortunate, to have the view point they do.

 

[Aman777]

I said biologically valid (IOW, something that can be demonstrated with respect to biology).

Or to put it another way, you'd need to be able to demonstrate the existence of "kinds" as a biological reality strictly with respect to biology itself. Merely quoting the Bible doesn't count.

Sorry, but kinds has little to do with classifying physical animals, since there are only TWO kinds. There are the "kinds" which God the Trinity creates ETERNALLY and there are THEIR "kinds". Then there are those who are common ancestors, which Jesus physically made with His Own Hands, thus are HIS kinds, or temporary "kinds" which are subject to DEATH.

It separates eternal kinds from temporary kinds. Christians are eternal kinds (Their kinds) while Atheists are temporal creatures destined to die. Humans (Adam's descendants) are temporal kinds (His kinds) until we are born again Spiritually by God the Trinity. Gen 1:26 Jhn 14:16 Then we are Christians. Rom 8:9 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

I meant people who believe it but don't understand it must have faith that it is true.

Amen. I enjoy revealing the ignorance of those who THINK they know more than God. I understand their "beliefs" and eternal faith in the false ToE which is so easily refuted. A good example is the fact that they are totally ignorant of where the first man and woman came from UNLESS you subscribe to their false Religion.

 

[Aman777]

They can still have trust based on the fact they rely on science, every hour of every day of their life and it works.

Sure it does temporarily. Then, they proclaim "we've done all we can before they die". That's when you need Jesus and when Science means nothing. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Once again look at the passage not just the verse. It tells you things that will happen.
“These people ar en’t drunk, as you suppose — it’s only nine in the morning.No, this is what was spoken about through the prophet Yo’el:‘Adonai says: “In the Last Days, I will pour out from my Spirit upon everyone. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.Even on my slaves, both men and women, will I pour out from my Spirit in those days; and they will prophesy.I will perform miracles in the sky above and signs on the earth below — blood, fire and thick smoke.The sun will become dark and the moon blood before the great and fearful Day of Adonai comes.And then, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved.”’ - Acts 2:15-21 Bible Gateway passage: Acts 2:15-21 - Complete Jewish Bible

I see. It makes you drunk instead of increasing your knowledge which allows you to understand Genesis?

The other part if this is people are made aware if the truth through us. The gospel is truth and it is shared by us. Whether people believe and follow the truth is between them and God. And as we see not all who are told and/or see the truth believe and follow.

Which Gospel is Truth? Is Science a Lie? Is History false? IF you have found God's Truth, it MUST agree with every other discovered Truth or it is NOT God's Truth. Amen?

 

[rjs330]

Design (as purpose or intention) is not an "alternative" to evolution. It is as consistent with evolution as with any other process by which the design (as functional arrangement of components) of living creatures might have been produced.

It is if the alternative is to replace constitutional government with a totalitarian theocracy, which is what the Discovery Institute is all about. But that is a topic for another forum; I just mentioned it to tell you why I despise them--and their propaganda, based as it is on the fallacious equivocation of two different meanings of "design."..

You know I looked at their website and their mission and such I didn't see anything that called for a totalitarian theocracy. Maybe I missed something.

 

[rjs330]

You can't jump the Mississippi by an accumulation of small hops.

But accumulation of small hops can bring us to a place where we can jump the Mississippi. According to evolution anyway. After all our athletes are getting faster and stringer and can jump farther every year. Who knows. Maybe in five million years we will he able to.

 

[USincognito]

You can't jump the Mississippi by an accumulation of small hops.

...without a bridge.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

But accumulation of small hops can bring us to a place where we can jump the Mississippi. According to evolution anyway. After all our athletes are getting faster and stringer and can jump farther every year. Who knows. Maybe in five million years we will he able to.

Not according to evolution; and no, not even with selective breeding.