Not under the law...

[k4c]

We are not under the law, in other words, we are not under the old way of deaing with sin but that does not mean we are free to sin.

Let me explain...

John 8:3-4 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.

Here we have a woman caught in the very act of adultery. The Pharisees, still under the old system of dealng with sin, points out the requirement of the law to punish sin.

John 8:5-6 "Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?'' This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him.

Jesus begins the transition from the old way of dealing with sin to the new way of dealing with sin, which is grace. But notice in Jesus' statement, He does not condemn her but He also tells her not to do it again.

John 8:11 And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.''

If we can understand this transition from punishment to grace, rather than, from law to lawlessness we will understand all of God's salvation plan and the whole Bible will come alive. Verses such as this will make sense.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

And this...

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

And this...

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

If you don't understand the transition from punishment to grace, rather than from law to lawlessness you will not understand these verses.

Jesus took our punishment at the cross, He didn't eliminate the definition of sin or our need to love through obedience.

The Ten Commandments will always define godly love so that those who love God and those who are coming to God can make the needed changes to love God and man in a godly way.

 

[k4c]

These things looked pretty good, and some that I can learn, and I hope to learn more on it!

The statement, "I hope to learn more on it" is the heart God is looking for in each one of us. God loves us more than we can understand all at once. Everything about salvation is based on relationship. The Ten Commandments are the basic standard that defines godly relationships.

God totally understands how we are but dust and struggle with relationships. I believe the most powerful verse in the Bible that reveals God's committed desire to draw us near to Him is when He says, "Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds".

Sin is the violation of the Law but to violate the Law is to hurt relationships. God created a plan, through Jesus, to make us accetable to Him even when we are not perfect in our relationships by telling us how Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness, in other words, the end of the Law as a means to obtain righteousness.

God removed all our limitations and excuses of why we can't come to Him and have a joyful and everlasting relashionship with Him and others through Jesus, if we really want to.

 

[Cribstyl]

The term "not under the law" is a reference to being under the New Covenant. Trying to reshuffle the facts by seperating the contextual argument made by Paul is disingenuous and not of God.

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[k4c]

The term "not under the law" is a reference to being under the New Covenant. Trying to reshuffle the facts by seperating the contextual argument made by Paul is disingenuous and not of God.

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God warned us how there would be people who would use the grace of God as a license to sin.

Under your present belief system, you can't reconcile the verses in my orginal post with what your pushing so you just ignore them.

 

[Joe67]

John 12:25
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. KJV

Birds are given wings so that they can move about without touching the ground. This is symbolic of those who confess Jesus but their bodies are not yielded a living sacrifice.

Stones are hewn out of the earth by a rod of iron and engraved with the point of a diamond. Stones cannot die in the earth. They can be ground into sand/dust.

Birds are free, but are taken in a snare.

Stones are dug out of a pit, which is bondage to the lion and the bear.

Isa 24:17-18
17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. KJV

Joe

 

[Cribstyl]

God warned us how there would be people who would use the grace of God as a license to sin.

Under your present belief system, you can't reconcile the verses in my orginal post with what your pushing so you just ignore them.

In your OP discussion about "not under the law",the reason you've chosen the example of the woman caught in adultery, is because you want to imply Jesus saying from; "go and sin no more" to "go and keep the ten commandments".

This response ignors my reply to your OP (as usual).
Only ECR agrees with your comments on these text.

The story that John is telling us about the woman caught in adultery have nothing to do with a transition of the law you're calling the old system. The law called for her to be put to death. Jhn 8:5
Lev 20:10; Deu 22:21-24; Eze 16:38-40; Eze 23:47


The lesson given is not a transition of the law as your comments have establish.

The primary lesson that Jesus gave us is; "people in glass houses dont through stones."
The Pharisees were convicted of their own sins and did not throw the stones for fear of self condemnation for their own sins.
The law did not change. God (Jesus) forgave the woman.
You probably wont see that the Pharisees probably had no problem with keeping the ten commandments.
You probably wont see that yours and my sinful challenges may not be any of the ten commandments.


By you presenting text from being "Under the law" and "not under the law" you're trying to connect commentary rather than truth.

These comments below are blatently false and unrelated to the context. Your comments are designed to undermine the blood of the new covenant and to contradict the scriptures posted.

The truth is, the blood of the covenant ushered in a new covenant that God made with Israel but was hidden in the promise made with Abraham.

If we can understand this transition from punishment to grace, rather than, from law to lawlessness we will understand all of God's salvation plan and the whole Bible will come alive. Verses such as this will make sense.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

And this...

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

And this...

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

If you don't understand the transition from punishment to grace, rather than from law to lawlessness you will not understand these verses.

Jesus took our punishment at the cross, He didn't eliminate the definition of sin or our need to love through obedience.

The Ten Commandments will always define godly love so that those who love God and those who are coming to God can make the needed changes to love God and man in a godly way.

It is shameful that your comments are dragging these isolated texts that clearly explain why we're not under the law.

 

[Cribstyl]

So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law.

2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you.
3 I'll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses.
4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.

5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive everything promised to us who are right with God through faith.
6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

7 You were getting along so well. Who has interfered with you to hold you back from following the truth?
8 It certainly isn't God, for he is the one who called you to freedom.
9 But it takes only one wrong person among you to infect all the others—a little yeast spreads quickly through the whole batch of dough!
10 I am trusting the Lord to bring you back to believing as I do about these things. God will judge that person, whoever it is, who has been troubling and confusing you.

11 Dear brothers and sisters, [fn1] if I were still preaching that you must be circumcised—as some say I do—why would the Jews persecute me? The fact that I am still being persecuted proves that I am still preaching salvation through the cross of Christ alone.
12 I only wish that those troublemakers who want to mutilate you by circumcision would mutilate themselves. [fn2]

13 For you have been called to live in freedom—not freedom to satisfy your sinful nature, but freedom to serve one another in love.
14 For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." [fn3]
15 But if instead of showing love among yourselves you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another.