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What do you think when you hear that a pastor does not vote?

I am not talking about the extreme of telling his congregation who to vote for. I am not even talking about the pastor talking about faith and politics or cultural issues.

I am saying that my pastor hates politics and probably does not even vote. I have some really bad feelings about it. Yes, politicians are corrupt. Yes, no politician is perfect or represents Christ.

But to not even vote? Not to mention, along with this, that he never really brings up cultural issues to the pulpit. I guess he thinks that he is there to preach the Gospel and that is all.

Again, I have very mixed feelings about this. I like him as a person. I think he preaches well sometimes. He just is missing some things I don't think a pastor should be missing.
 

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1I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Paul here is saying that we are to make intercession, prayers for those in authority. Why? That we may live peaceful and quiet lives in godliness and holiness. It seems to me that Paul here is saying we should be praying that they allow us to be Chrisitans peacefully and not not much more then that.


From our point of view. God is our father, Jesus is our Lord, we belong to the kingdom of God and not the kingdoms of the world.

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

This is an example of how the kingdom of God is different from the kingdom of the world. It operates differently, it doesn't fight back In the same way the world does.

Just to clarify, we belong to the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of the world. There is no democracy in heaven. There is also an illusion of democracy in the world as well because of this verse.

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but from God; the powers that be are ordained by God.

Again God has put them in authority, God has always done so.


Our job, it's not to change the world and make it more Christianlike. We know from revelations what end up with the world, they go further away from sin, and end up giving themselves over to the Antichrist, and then the kingdom of God comes.

How does the kingdom of God operate them. The same way you find God, we receive the holy spirit, and become children of God. God is pulling his children out of the world and into his kingdom.


We should be more focused on being a family, loving each other then trying to change the way the world works because God has already said what is going to happen and when our kingdom will come.
 
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What do you think when you hear that a pastor does not vote?

I am not talking about the extreme of telling his congregation who to vote for. I am not even talking about the pastor talking about faith and politics or cultural issues.

I am saying that my pastor hates politics and probably does not even vote. I have some really bad feelings about it. Yes, politicians are corrupt. Yes, no politician is perfect or represents Christ.

But to not even vote? Not to mention, along with this, that he never really brings up cultural issues to the pulpit. I guess he thinks that he is there to preach the Gospel and that is all.

Again, I have very mixed feelings about this. I like him as a person. I think he preaches well sometimes. He just is missing some things I don't think a pastor should be missing.
Voting is selecting a person or person's who we think will best lead the country .... it shouldn't be confused with ones religion ... we aren't voting for a god.
 
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same way I feel about anyone else who chooses not to vote that is just fine but you need to keep your mouth shut about whomever ends up in office if you could have voted and chose not to vote. I am not talking about people who not registered either I mean you are at least 18, you are a citizen and not otherwise forbbiden from voting say due to serving time at the time of the election and you chose not to vote.
 
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What do you think when you hear that a pastor does not vote?

I am not talking about the extreme of telling his congregation who to vote for. I am not even talking about the pastor talking about faith and politics or cultural issues.

I am saying that my pastor hates politics and probably does not even vote. I have some really bad feelings about it. Yes, politicians are corrupt. Yes, no politician is perfect or represents Christ.

But to not even vote? Not to mention, along with this, that he never really brings up cultural issues to the pulpit. I guess he thinks that he is there to preach the Gospel and that is all.

Again, I have very mixed feelings about this. I like him as a person. I think he preaches well sometimes. He just is missing some things I don't think a pastor should be missing.

I'm with you on this All Becomes New, but with some explanation warranted.

I frequently find educated people, including my own family members, who never vote, generally offering two excuses: either they don't care or they claim that all politicians are crooked.
First, I think anyone who cares about others should care about what's going on in the world around them, be it their community, city, state, country, or world. As a Christian who's commanded to love others, we need to care, and that means voting for godly leaders and laws that affect the lives of people and society at large.

To suggest as some do, that Christians are not to get involved in politics or cultural battles because it's not our job to confront worldly issues is not only unbiblical, but immoral in my view. Should I not intervene if I see a child being kidnapped, an elderly person being mugged, or a lady being raped in my presence? Should I not raise my hand to vote yay or nay on killing innocent unborn babies, undermining school childrens' gender identities, or funding public library transvestite shows for kids? How about having a say in whether school children are taught Biblical creation or secular evolution? The issues are never ending and they're shaped entirely by peoples' voting. Should we then have only secular people vote since Christians should only be concerned about heavenly things? Given that view, we would have lost America's Christian heritage long ago and be headed even faster to a Deadwood movie or communist society. God forbid we reject the Christian beliefs and Biblical moral values that our Founding Fathers Providentially established for us. To not vote against the secular forces encroaching constantly upon our nation is to side with Satan, and to not vote for those representatives and laws that best serve a godly society is to do the same. It's an indefensible position.

Second, no matter how bad one politician is, I never find them being equally bad in the same ways. I think Trump vs Clinton demonstrated this well in 2016, with each having their serious flaws but equally valued plusses. Thus, we choose the candidates that best represent our values, even if they are lacking in character.

Given this, that every Christian should vote on social issues that affect the lives of people, should a pastor vote? Obviously yes - because he should care about others as God commands, and even more so, set an example to his congregation. Should a pastor preach on political and cultural issues? I think so, because the track record of Christian and Catholic voting suggests that it's badly needed. Unfortunately, few have the courage to speak out over controversial issues that cause divisiveness or may offend some people. Such is the reality of our relativist, politically correct, social culture today, even within the church.
 
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For President most individual votes are not going to matter. If this is a swing state then this argument would not hold. Plus you have to look at the other races on the ballot to see if they are close. Many churches go overboard with too much political stuff. One can just pray that this pastor hears and preaches what is on the heart and mind of God for all matters.
 
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