Not Pro-Choice; Pro God's Will

[YoungJesusLover]

Abortion should be legal. Its what God would want. most baby's people want aborted are just the product of bad choices and unsafe sex practices. Therefore,just as the infants at the seige of Jericho were slain so must be kill the infants born of sin. Its what Jesus would us to do.

 

[Danyc]

So...scriptural confirmation?

 

[MichaelD111]

Interesting. You kind of have a point, as the OT speaks of God ripping babies from their mothers' wombs. Ironically, God probably isn't as "pro-life" as some people here.

 

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Abortion should be legal. Its what God would want. most baby's people want aborted are just the product of bad choices and unsafe sex practices. Therefore,just as the infants at the seige of Jericho were slain so must be kill the infants born of sin. Its what Jesus would us to do.

 

[Westvleteren]

I've never understood why people think it's better for a woman who doesn't want her baby to carry it to term than to abort it.

Let's see... I got pregnant at sixteen with a guy I don't love and who I don't intend to marry and I really, really, really don't want this kid, but abortion is illegal, so... I know! I'll drop my crack habit and become a model of pre-natal health consciousness, and God will send me a caring husband and we'll make a happy snuggly family for the baby to be born into. And then America will suddenly decide that caring for its underprivileged children is a priority, so I won't have to become a prostitute to get healthcare and education and enough food to feed it and we'll all live happily ever after.

Except not.

 

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I've never understood why people think it's better for a woman who doesn't want her baby to carry it to term than to abort it.

Let's see... I got pregnant at sixteen with a guy I don't love and who I don't intend to marry and I really, really, really don't want this kid, but abortion is illegal, so... I know! I'll drop my crack habit and become a model of pre-natal health consciousness, and God will send me a caring husband and we'll make a happy snuggly family for the baby to be born into. And then America will suddenly decide that caring for its underprivileged children is a priority, so I won't have to become a prostitute to get healthcare and education and enough food to feed it and we'll all live happily ever after.

Except not.

Yes, the baby is better off dead. How nice of you to make that decision for him/her.

Heck why stop at abortion? See a crack addict with a 4 year old? Euthanise the 4 year old, its the only merciful thing to do. Right?

 

[Westvleteren]

Yes, the baby is better off dead. How nice of you to make that decision for him/her.

Heck why stop at abortion? See a crack addict with a 4 year old? Euthanise the 4 year old, its the only merciful thing to do. Right?

A first trimester fetus is not a baby. It is not a person, nor even a potential person. Far better to end an unwanted pregnancy then than to have the kid be another child abuse statistic.

But I imagine all the babies God ordered killed in the Old Testament were full-term...

 

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A first trimester fetus is not a baby.

This is an opinion. not a fact.

It is not a person, nor even a potential person.

More opinion.

Far better to end an unwanted pregnancy then than to have the kid be another child abuse statistic.

As I said, better for the child to die than to have a bad life. So euthanizing a 4 year old in a bad situation fits in with your position perfectly whether you want to admit it or not.

But I imagine all the babies God ordered killed in the Old Testament were full-term...

Is this good or bad in your book? Sounds like you and God are on the same page.

As for me, I'm not a Bible literalist, so you're better off arguing OT stories with someone else. And in the interest of full disclosure you should know I have been pro-life since I could form my own opinion on this in my early teens. So around 25 years. I've only been a Christian for the last 2 years. My pro-life position is not based on or derived from religion.

 

[texastig]

Abortion should be legal. Its what God would want. most baby's people want aborted are just the product of bad choices and unsafe sex practices. Therefore,just as the infants at the seige of Jericho were slain so must be kill the infants born of sin. Its what Jesus would us to do.

I'll take the children of the world. Give them to me and my wife.
We love them as God loves them.
Thanks,
TT

 

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I'll take the children of the world. Give them to me and my wife.
We love them as God loves them.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Westvleteren]

This is an opinion. not a fact.
More opinion.
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As I said, better for the child to die than to have a bad life. So euthanizing a 4 year old in a bad situation fits in with your position perfectly whether you want to admit it or not.

We can argue when life begins until the cows come home. We're not going to agree. Based on current medical knowledge, my opinion is that there is no self-awareness in an early stage fetus. Based on my lack of belief in a soul, a fetus has no potential for personhood until someone else projects that potential onto it.

Thus, my stated position, opinion or not, is that a fetus is much, much different than a four-year-old child. So, no, euthanizing a four-year-old is not my position.

As for me, I'm not a Bible literalist, so you're better off arguing OT stories with someone else. And in the interest of full disclosure you should know I have been pro-life since I could form my own opinion on this in my early teens. So around 25 years. I've only been a Christian for the last 2 years. My pro-life position is not based on or derived from religion.

I was a Christian when I had an abortion. Life experience and a deconversion to atheism has strengthened my commitment to the pro-choice position, but I have been pro-choice since I understood what abortion was. So, religion isn't really the basis for my position, either.

I'll stop now. I stated my opinion in raw, angry terms -- which I should not have done to begin with -- and it's led you and I to persuading each other of little but how deeply we can cut with words. My apologies for deviating from my ideal of civilized discourse; I'll see you around the forum.

 

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We can argue when life begins until the cows come home. We're not going to agree. Based on current medical knowledge, my opinion is that there is no self-awareness in an early stage fetus. Based on my lack of belief in a soul, a fetus has no potential for personhood until someone else projects that potential onto it.

Thus, my stated position, opinion or not, is that a fetus is much, much different than a four-year-old child. So, no, euthanizing a four-year-old is not my position.

I was a Christian when I had an abortion. Life experience and a deconversion to atheism has strengthened my commitment to the pro-choice position, but I have been pro-choice since I understood what abortion was. So, religion isn't really the basis for my position, either.

I'll stop now. I stated my opinion in raw, angry terms -- which I should not have done to begin with -- and it's led you and I to persuading each other of little but how deeply we can cut with words. My apologies for deviating from my ideal of civilized discourse; I'll see you around the forum.

Fair enough. Peace.

 

[texastig]

A first trimester fetus is not a baby. It is not a person, nor even a potential person. Far better to end an unwanted pregnancy then than to have the kid be another child abuse statistic.

But I imagine all the babies God ordered killed in the Old Testament were full-term...

Jer 1:4-5a (KJV)
4. Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5a. Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;

Psalm 139:13(Basic Bible)
My flesh was made by you, and my parts joined together in my mother's body.

Thanks,
TT

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I love when people try to say "WELL GOD DID IT"

God is so much wiser and God KNOWS His plan for us. To try to convict God by saying He's unfit, you might as tell a judge he is unfit to send you to jail. Plus, this is only Old Testament God. After He delivered to us the last sacrifice, all of the punishments of the Old Testament were washed away. That's why I don't have an altar in my backyard. Now it's just natures running course and God's intervention happens when God decides to.

Anyways, that's very backwards. If God didn't want the baby to be born, He would prevent it. Just because it spawned from a bad choice doesn't mean it's not supposed to be born.

 

[Tenebrae]

Abortion should be legal. Its what God would want. most baby's people want aborted are just the product of bad choices and unsafe sex practices. Therefore,just as the infants at the seige of Jericho were slain so must be kill the infants born of sin. Its what Jesus would us to do.

So child should be killed just because his or her parents are incompetent fools unable of keeping it in their trousers or unable to make positive choices?


I had a friend like that, her and her finance kept sleeping with each other. It was totally doing her head in, yet according to her they were unable to resist temptatation. She thought I was horrible when I told her the way to resist temptation was to stop, seperate, and go have a cold shower.


Anyhow, I digress. Why should kids be punished because their parents are idiots?

 

[Lupinus]

Oh poppycock, a child born due to a sinful coupling is no less God's will then that of a happily married couple. I actually know several people who finally got the wake up shock they needed when they had to stop and say "Hey, I've got a child to care for now."

If God decided you shouldn't have the baby there would be a miscarriage. Trying to link abortion and infants and Jerico is nonsense.

 

[MichaelD111]

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