Not Artificial Intelligence

[rosenherman]

I find this very frightening:

* University of Florida professor Thomas DeMarse revealed in
December that he has constructed a primitive "brain" ("live
computation device") out of 25,000 rat neurons and has taught it to
maneuver an F-22 fighter jet simulation in a straight trajectory.
The brain had to be "taught," he said, because at first, the plane
kept crashing. DeMarse said an organic brain is potentially much
more flexible than a even the highest-tech computer.

 

[Locrian]

Hmm. I'm going to do some more research on this, thank you for the post.

 

[Andy Broadley]

Didn't know the air force where getting short of mren

 

[Illuminatus]

Yeah, I saw this a couple months ago. I don't find it scary, I find it cool. Makes you wonder what you could do with 50,000 rat neurons, or 100,000 rat neurons.

 

[michabo]

For all of those people that wonder what to do with their box of rat neurons, now you know: play more video games.

 

[Ataradrac]

Yeah, I saw this a couple months ago. I don't find it scary, I find it cool. Makes you wonder what you could do with 50,000 rat neurons, or 100,000 rat neurons.

Make a better rat fighter pilot?

 

[Illuminatus]

I'd love to hook the rat neurons up to, say, Battlefield Vietnam, and unleash them on an unsuspecting world.

 

[Kripost]

Is there any article which explains how it works?

 

[Illuminatus]

IIRC, Space.com had a good article on it.

 

[Alarum]

Baby steps, baby steps. I still think the future of true artificial intelligence is cybernetic, biological just cannot take the heat. Too much heat, too few ways to dissipate it, and way too low of a heat tolerance.

 

[Illuminatus]

Baby steps, baby steps. I still think the future of true artificial intelligence is cybernetic, biological just cannot take the heat. Too much heat, too few ways to dissipate it, and way too low of a heat tolerance.

Artificial intelligence is an attempt to mimic the human consciousness. The human consciousness is (in some way) biologically based. It seems to be able to take the "heat" pretty well. Not to mention it's far simpler to cool a couple million rat neurons in a dish than it is to cool a large parallel-computing system.

 

[Pisty]

I still don't understand how it all works!?!

 

[Deamiter]

and yet... our brains still do amazing things, though with a much larger delay. A biological computer could hypothetically run much faster through abstraction essentially making thousands of computations in one illogical assumption. At least that's how humans do it, and it's AMAZING how well we can judge distance for example...

Also, once optical computers really become viable (whether in mainstream PCs or not) they'll be potentially much smaller than current silicon based processors, and yet run without the heat involved in electronics. Anyway, I do think there will be a phase of development that includes biological components because there will be a time where we are just understanding cells well enough to use them as computers, yet we're not advanced technically to build a network that naturally can adapt and grow new components to automatically streamline computation.

 

[Alarum]

Artificial intelligence is an attempt to mimic the human consciousness. The human consciousness is (in some way) biologically based. It seems to be able to take the "heat" pretty well. Not to mention it's far simpler to cool a couple million rat neurons in a dish than it is to cool a large parallel-computing system.

No, it doesn't. It simply doesn't. Brain death occurs if we vary more then 10 degrees from the optimum temperature, which is in and of itself only a little above room. There's no room for the hyper-efficiency of the extremely cold, or the "I'm using energy massively" here of the extremely hot. Bio-comps might see some application, but my feeling is they're always going to be second rate. Chemical reactions at room temperature just do not yield the energy of a power plant (20% eff vs nearly 60% eff), the neurons can't perform as well as computers because of the resistance/temp problems, and the entire idea strikes me as stupidly shaky.

 

[Yamialpha]

But if a rat and its prime adversary were fighting in the game, would it be considered a catfight instead of a dogfight?