I think I'll refrain from suggesting the appropriate classification for Mr. North. Suffice to say, I don't think either or our camps needs to claim him,
unless you really want to claim him, but that is another thread.
On the California example, I understand that you and some that you care about experience that as a potential obstacle to your own career goals. And I don't want to minimize that constraint I wouold suggest that being able to actually pick your own career is probably something of a luxury in the overal balance of things. Some of us grow up expecting to ba able to do so, but that is perhaps further evidence that we DO benefit from the history of racism (including the ironic twist that places we irish folk in the 'white' category of modern race-relations).
Actually the growth of community colleges is itsef part of an outreach to minority communities. But I've lost track of how this relates to the larger point. I'll have to review this subtheme tomorrow when I'm more alert.
On your next point, I think we may be typing past one another here. I was trying to suggest that when you evaluate the overall economic status of an individual or ethnic group you have to look at their total options. Being frozen out of a preferred job couldn't be called a good things, but if those same people are able to find good employment in other areas, then this mitigates the harm to some extent. At the very least, the prospect that such individuals may still be gainfully employed suggests that their overall economic status may not be suffering a significant decline. Thus, the outrage of such quota hiring (assuming it reached that level of application) is mitigated by the overall context of the job market.
Irrelevance? Possibly. That is the point behind my comments on brain drain. You can move a few minorities into the white communities without disrupting the white communities OR substantially helping the minority communities.
Good point on the military training. I've met many servicemen who received an education they never would have had in any other field.
I've babbled enough; your next few comments sound fine to me.
On the California example, I understand that you and some that you care about experience that as a potential obstacle to your own career goals. And I don't want to minimize that constraint I wouold suggest that being able to actually pick your own career is probably something of a luxury in the overal balance of things. Some of us grow up expecting to ba able to do so, but that is perhaps further evidence that we DO benefit from the history of racism (including the ironic twist that places we irish folk in the 'white' category of modern race-relations).
Actually the growth of community colleges is itsef part of an outreach to minority communities. But I've lost track of how this relates to the larger point. I'll have to review this subtheme tomorrow when I'm more alert.
On your next point, I think we may be typing past one another here. I was trying to suggest that when you evaluate the overall economic status of an individual or ethnic group you have to look at their total options. Being frozen out of a preferred job couldn't be called a good things, but if those same people are able to find good employment in other areas, then this mitigates the harm to some extent. At the very least, the prospect that such individuals may still be gainfully employed suggests that their overall economic status may not be suffering a significant decline. Thus, the outrage of such quota hiring (assuming it reached that level of application) is mitigated by the overall context of the job market.
Irrelevance? Possibly. That is the point behind my comments on brain drain. You can move a few minorities into the white communities without disrupting the white communities OR substantially helping the minority communities.
Good point on the military training. I've met many servicemen who received an education they never would have had in any other field.
I've babbled enough; your next few comments sound fine to me.
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