not a joke

[higgs2]

For me (and I would apply this to any man as well) I believe that if the clerical collar is being worn (as should be in the performance of many ministerial functions) the shirt should be closed. I think it is very tacky to have the collar close the neck but have an open and uncovered chest. (no I did not say cleavage as none is showing) I feel this is (perhaps just because of convention) disrespectful to the collar. I would feel just the same about any man wearing the same.

Additionally the shirt itself seems to be tailored to be form fitting. While I believe this can be tastefully done, it seems inappropriate to me to wear clothing that is intended to accentuate a womans breast and a clerical collar. The collar is an indicator of a representative of the Church and purposely taking attention away from it detracts from the office.

But this is just my own personal opinion coming from a man who believes that priests should wear cassocks. (weather permitting)

Thank you for explaining.

 

[Inside Edge]

I don't see any problem with it. I doubt it's even her Sunday garb...it looks like it's specific to the photo shoot and/or her role at the the fashion college.

It's a bit tacky in the sense that I find the alterations remove the aura the traditional uniform has...in the end, it's aesthetic and doesn't have much of an effect.

Her parish is in England - hm, that means she has an accent, too....

 

[Cromwe11]

At what stage does her garb become inappropriate? Leaving aside the issue of the validity of her ordination, I've seen male priests dressed in leather jacket and jeans while wearing the collar. Is that inappropriate?

At the point where a normal man would do a double take and think "wonder if she's single... Rowr!"

a leather jacket isn't quite the same thing because while stylish and maybe cool.. it isn't intended to reveal or emphasize ones body. (in most cases that I've seen).

The issue isn't really style (for me) its modesty.

Now, there probably are issues of mere style that I would shake my head at as being unprofessional, or in bad taste, but that is a somewhat different issue.

The picture in question, what she's wearing isn't overly revealing, but I think its treading the line very closely.. the shirt is disigned to show the curves, its a little low cut (even given the undershirt this is still suggestive).

Again, if she were off duty, I probably wouldn't have a problem with this attire.. but on duty.. its something akin to a priest wearing spandex biker shorts or something like that.

 

[Cromwe11]

[bible]Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 1 Corinthians 9:19-22[/bible]

Maybe it is a little inappropriate, but consider that she is going to work in a fashion college. Would the people working there feel they could interact more easily with someone who is fashion concious?

As long as she also includes the words "Like! Oh my Gosh" in the liturgy whenever possible.

 

[karen freeinchristman]

At the point where a normal man would do a double take and think "wonder if she's single... Rowr!"

a leather jacket isn't quite the same thing because while stylish and maybe cool.. it isn't intended to reveal or emphasize ones body. (in most cases that I've seen).

The issue isn't really style (for me) its modesty.

Now, there probably are issues of mere style that I would shake my head at as being unprofessional, or in bad taste, but that is a somewhat different issue.

The picture in question, what she's wearing isn't overly revealing, but I think its treading the line very closely.. the shirt is disigned to show the curves, its a little low cut (even given the undershirt this is still suggestive).

Again, if she were off duty, I probably wouldn't have a problem with this attire.. but on duty.. its something akin to a priest wearing spandex biker shorts or something like that.

I agree with this post. (By the way, I happen to know that she is single.)

 

[Inside Edge]

I agree with this post. (By the way, I happen to know that she is single.)

I'll bet not for much longer, now...

 

[AnglicanCelt]

I agree that her collar is not worn appropriately, however, being one who was a model (runway...woo </sarcasm>), you're not really given much choice. I don't know about you, but she doesn't necessarily look -that- happy.

I wouldn't be, either. The point is, she sees a missions field, and she's going to go serve it. How many of us still need to serve in our missions field?

And remember 1 Timothy 4:11-14.

(11-14Get the word out. Teach all these things. And don't let anyone put you down because you're young. Teach believers with your life: by word, by demeanor, by love, by faith, by integrity. Stay at your post reading Scripture, giving counsel, teaching. And that special gift of ministry you were given when the leaders of the church laid hands on you and prayed—keep that dusted off and in use. The Message)

She certainly appears to be leading with her life, not her fashion sense.

 

[TomUK]

I agree with this post. (By the way, I happen to know that she is single.)

Do you know her? If you do i wouldn't mind you putting in a good word for me. If you could find some way of slipping 'nicest guy you've met' into the conversation, that'd be great!

 

[No Swansong]

I agree that her collar is not worn appropriately, however, being one who was a model (runway...woo </sarcasm>), you're not really given much choice. I don't know about you, but she doesn't necessarily look -that- happy.

I wouldn't be, either. The point is, she sees a missions field, and she's going to go serve it. How many of us still need to serve in our missions field?

And remember 1 Timothy 4:11-14.

(11-14Get the word out. Teach all these things. And don't let anyone put you down because you're young. Teach believers with your life: by word, by demeanor, by love, by faith, by integrity. Stay at your post reading Scripture, giving counsel, teaching. And that special gift of ministry you were given when the leaders of the church laid hands on you and prayed—keep that dusted off and in use. The Message)

She certainly appears to be leading with her life, not her fashion sense.

I don't really understand your post, are you saying she didn't get to chose how she is dressed? I believe that most colleges allow their Chaplains to dress in whatever manner they decide.

 

[No Swansong]

Do you know her? If you do i wouldn't mind you putting in a good word for me. If you could find some way of slipping 'nicest guy you've met' into the conversation, that'd be great!

Don't forget to add how good looking he is and the Orphanage in Kenya that he built.

 

[karen freeinchristman]

Do you know her? If you do i wouldn't mind you putting in a good word for me. If you could find some way of slipping 'nicest guy you've met' into the conversation, that'd be great!

Sorry, I don't know her personally, but I've been to her church and I know people who go to her church. But if I do ever meet her, I'll definitely put your name forward! Heck, she may even be able to give your CF character some fashion tips!

 

[AnglicanCelt]

I don't really understand your post, are you saying she didn't get to chose how she is dressed? I believe that most colleges allow their Chaplains to dress in whatever manner they decide.

She may not have. Photoshoots are usually not something you get to choose for, and while she may or may not have chosen to wear that particular shirt, there is a thing called artistic license, and that particular photographer may have asked for her to unbutton a few buttons so that it would appear in line with her new job. She may not have wanted to.

 

[No Swansong]

She may not have. Photoshoots are usually not something you get to choose for, and while she may or may not have chosen to wear that particular shirt, there is a thing called artistic license, and that particular photographer may have asked for her to unbutton a few buttons so that it would appear in line with her new job. She may not have wanted to.

I may have misread the article but I do not remember reading that this was from a photoshoot. I thought it was a photo taken while she was acting in her capacity as chaplain. If it was a photo shoot then it is entirely inappropriate especially for one who fulfills a clerical position, and she should have refused.
Additionally I seriously doubt that the school has required that their chaplain dress for photo shoots.
But again I may have misread the article and I really don't have the time to re-read it.

 

[joyfulthanks]

removed by me

 

[cenimo]

Considering things that have been discussed - and supported - in STR, from Goth and Clown Masses to hip hop prayer books to things that are against the rules to discuss, I really can't see any problem with the pic in the OP.

A very cute priest with her shirt unbutonned a little bit, duh.

So what.

 

[Inside Edge]

Not to drag up a dead thread, but I ran this picture and article past my parish priest (who is female), and she was none too pleased - I was pretty surprised.

I have to say - although the get-up didn't bother me, I'm now wondering if maybe it should have.

 

[No Swansong]

I appreciate your sharing Inside Edge.

 

[Aymn27]

Blimey, i wouldn't mind receiving a blessing for her!

rofl!! my thoughts exactly - I must repent now...but honestly, she is...ummm..how should I put this.....


HOT!

 

[higgs2]

I honor and respect conservatives like Colabomb and jtbdad (and Aaron too) even while disagreeing strenuously with them -- sometimes, I'm afraid, too outspokenly for charitability. I'm back from a three-months self-enforced leave for exactly the same reasons, and I'd hope that Aaron at least will return. My choice was for the same reason: a sense that too-aggressive voices were slapping down views I cherished, in my own congregational forum. What Pam and others have requested is that we try to respect each other and address the issues that divide us with some degree of respect for differing viewpoints.

To answer your questions, Groce, my cite for the validity of her ordination would be the appropriate canon of the Church of England authorizing such ordination. Unless you have yourself been named archbishop, you do not have authority to tell a given church whom they may or may not ordain. You do have every right to decide whose ordinations you believe not to have been valid, and to state your own opinion on this matter -- ideally, showing respect for those who hold a different view. (BTW, "priestess" is about as insulting as you can get; she is a priest of the church, or not. I trust you would not insist that we refer to karen as "Moderatoress" in token of her gender?

My request was not that you suppress your own views, but that you express them with courtesy towards other Anglicans who would disagree with your stance. And I'd expect to be held to the same standard of conduct.

You are so darn sensible Thanks for posting, stick around more, okay?