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This also varies by country. A denomination may have the same name but not actually be the same church at all.
I'm going to guess that you are sufficiently acquainted with Eastern Orthodoxy to recognize that when someone says "you are not Orthodox unless you have been baptized by a monk or Metropolitan," he or she is showing a lack of knowledge about the EOC.I wouldn’t say that I don’t know anything about the EOC. I know a bit, how much I would say is subjective depending on whom your speaking to.
I'm going to guess that you are sufficiently acquainted with Eastern Orthodoxy to recognize that when someone says "you are not Orthodox unless you have been baptized by a monk or Metropolitan," he or she is showing a lack of knowledge about the EOC.
You're right nondenominational is a little weird. If you're going to label yourself a Protestant generally you're either an Arminian or Reformed/Calvinist.
That should be your label. Not Christian, not nondenominational, not Baptist...etc. Because Baptists can be two sides of the coin. Lutherans can be either. It just gets so confusing among us Protestants. Either you're Arminian or you're Reformed. There is no inbetween really.
You're right nondenominational is a little weird. If you're going to label yourself a Protestant generally you're either an Arminian or Reformed/Calvinist.
That should be your label. Not Christian, not nondenominational, not Baptist...etc. Because Baptists can be two sides of the coin. Lutherans can be either. It just gets so confusing among us Protestants. Either you're Arminian or you're Reformed. There is no inbetween really.
And when one carries the label Christian it gets highly confusing. What kind of Christian? Eastern Orthodox Catholic Protestant, what?
This is true, but on the other hand, the reason that people say Baptist or Anglican or Catholic or Presbyterian is mainly because they hold membership in that denomination. It is their church.
It's not intended to be an answer that explains every religious belief and practice that the person agrees with.
I think the question should be.....are Non-Denominational churches Biblical? As far as I can tell, most non-denominational can only trace their roots to the second half of the 19th century. And even then a lot of these non-denominational have come and gone with more and more sprouting up every day. This don't sound very biblical to me.
Remember, Jesus promised, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return, it means that the Church will, until the end of time, remain essentially what she is.
What church can make this claim? What Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing? What Church can trace it's line of Apostolic succession in unbroken succession, to Peter himself? The Lutheran Church? Nope! The Church of England? Nope! The Mennonite church? Nope! The Presbyterian church? Nope! The Congregational church? Nope! The Methodist church? Nope! The Mormon ("Latter Day Saints") church? Nope! The Seventh Day Adventist church? Nope! I could go on and on and on.
So what Church is it that Jesus promised that the "gates of hell will not prevail against it?" What Church is it that Jesus promised will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. What Church is it that Jesus promised will survive until his return, and will remain until the end of time, remain essentially what she is? What Church is it that Scripture says is " the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth." The churches I listed above? I think not! I am pretty sure you all know what church Jesus and I am talking about.
Have a Blessed day!
I think the question should be.....are Non-Denominational churches Biblical? As far as I can tell, most non-denominational can only trace their roots to the second half of the 19th century. And even then a lot of these non-denominational have come and gone with more and more sprouting up every day. This don't sound very biblical to me.
Remember, Jesus promised, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return, it means that the Church will, until the end of time, remain essentially what she is.
What church can make this claim?
I think the question should be.....are Non-Denominational churches Biblical? As far as I can tell, most non-denominational can only trace their roots to the second half of the 19th century. And even then a lot of these non-denominational have come and gone with more and more sprouting up every day. This don't sound very biblical to me.
Remember, Jesus promised, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return, it means that the Church will, until the end of time, remain essentially what she is.
What church can make this claim? What Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing? What Church can trace it's line of Apostolic succession in unbroken succession, to Peter himself? The Lutheran Church? Nope! The Church of England? Nope! The Mennonite church? Nope! The Presbyterian church? Nope! The Congregational church? Nope! The Methodist church? Nope! The Mormon ("Latter Day Saints") church? Nope! The Seventh Day Adventist church? Nope! I could go on and on and on.
So what Church is it that Jesus promised that the "gates of hell will not prevail against it?" What Church is it that Jesus promised will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. What Church is it that Jesus promised will survive until his return, and will remain until the end of time, remain essentially what she is? What Church is it that Scripture says is " the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth." The churches I listed above? I think not! I am pretty sure you all know what church Jesus and I am talking about.
Have a Blessed day!
Can you demonstrate this through apostolic succession?
Can you demonstrate this through apostolic succession?
That could be, but that doesn't negate the point I was explaining.Yes I get that, but I think denominational labels are more misleading than helpful.
Even your own label of Anglican could have multiple meanings. I know there is high and low Anglican and maybe other variants? If I say that I am Baptist (it is one denomination that I attend) you will assume it means the Baptist that you know from your own country. It could be completely misleading.
That could be, but that doesn't negate the point I was explaining.
Well, it cannot be "completely" misleading, since it definitely indicates which denomination the person in question is affiliated with...and as I explained in my previous post, that is usually what anyone who is interested enough to ask is looking for.
It's rarely the case that when someone is asked about his religion or church, the purpose is to find out what he thinks about the Trinity or the Lord's Supper or how old a candidate must be before becoming eligible for baptism.
In a theological sense, yes. But as we can see in the personal profiles of members here on CF, when that answer is selected, it tells everyone else that the person is part of the the religion that most Americans (to use one example) belong to. And that's all. That doesn't do much of anything to narrow down the range of possible beliefs that the person believes in or spiritual practices he engages in. Just to name any one of the denominations instantly conveys much more information. No, that doesn't mean that there isn't still some range, but it's much more meaningful than getting the reply, "Christian."I still think 'Christian' is the best label.
In a theological sense, yes. But as we can see in the personal profiles of members here on CF, when that answer is selected, it tells everyone else that the person is part of the the religion that most Americans (to use one example) belong to. And that's all. That doesn't do much of anything to narrow down the range of possible beliefs that the person believes in or spiritual practices he engages in. Just to name any one of the denominations instantly conveys much more information. No, that doesn't mean that there isn't still some range, but it's much more meaningful than getting the reply, "Christian."
There is no such thing. "Non-denominational" means that a new church does not affiliate itself with any pre-existing denomination. That doesn't make it "non-denominational". It makes it a new denomination.
What you are opposed to is what we get when people answer "Christianity." To state a denominational name instead of that does not worsen the situation. It's just the opposite.If the same 'church' had identical doctrine across the world I would agree, but if I gave you a label you would automatically think of the one that you are familiar with.
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