Non-denominational listed under "Denominations" here on CF?

[TrustAndObey]

Why is it when one of us comments that non-denomination churches ARE a denomination, someone posts a CF rule stating the opposite (that CF has determined that non-denominations are NOT a denomination)? Yet non-denominations are listed under Denominations here on CF, and the Seventh-day Adventist church is NOT?

Non-denomination churches are across the board about as different from one to the other as black and white.

How in the world would our split over theological differences make US not a denomination if non-denominations are considered so? They're a split group.

Can anyone answer this for me please?

 

[honorthesabbath]

I noticed that too Lainie. We were told that the reason our church name was changed and placed under the “Faith’ groups was because the progressives, etc. were a ‘movement within a denomination (Of course that excuse never made any sense to me because this doesn’t give any reason toannihilate those who are NOT ‘moving’ out of the teachings and doctrines of the DENOMINATION of the Seventh-day Adventist church.)

So here’s the strange and almost diabolical part of this whole thing….the non-denominational MOVEMENT is the biggest proselytizing group in America right now. So—how can it be a ‘denomination’? It’s a MOVEMENT! Are we getting the picture here now?

And I may be missing something here, but what part of NON do these people not understand? Here is one dictionary’s definition of NON…..

[non- [non]
used with many words to change their meanings to the opposite; not]

So given the very name of NON-denominational, simply stated means, NOT DENOMINATIONAL!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case.

 

[honorthesabbath]

One more thing--look at what Wikipedia has to say about the definition of non-denominational. Notice that they are smart enough to never refer to this movement as a denomination, but as a church or congregation. Pay close attention to the last line. Talk about confusion.

In Christianity, the term non-denominational refers to those churches that have not formally aligned themselves with an established denomination, or remain otherwise officially autonomous. This, however, does not preclude an identifiable standard among such congregations. Non-denominational congregations may establish a functional denomination by means of mutual recognition of or accountability to other congregations and leaders with commonly held doctrine, policy and worship without formalizing external direction or oversight in such matters. Some non-denominational churches explicitly reject the idea of a formalized denominational structure as a matter of principle, holding that each congregation must be autonomous.
Non-denominational is generally used to refer to one of two forms of independence: political or theological. That is, the independence may come about because of a religious disagreement or political disagreement. This causes some confusion in understanding. Some churches say they are non-denominational because they have no central headquarters (though they may have affiliations with other congregations.) Other churches say they are non-denominational because their belief structures are unique.
Members of non-denominational churches often consider themselves simply "Christians". However, the acceptance of any particular stance on a doctrine or practice (for example, on baptism), about which there is not general unanimity among churches or professing Christians, may be said to establish a de facto credal identity. In essence, this would mean that each non-denominational church forms its own unofficial "denomination" with a specific set of tenets as defined by the beliefs and practices of its own congregation.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Yep, that's confusing alright.

CF took the official stance that non-denominational churches AREN'T denominations, yet that's where they're listed.

It just doesn't make sense.

 

[DeanM]

There is a staff discussion underway regarding the naming of the congregational areas, and the placements of the forums within those areas.

Nothing solid yet, though.

I just wanted to let you know that the staff is discussing options.

 

[TrustAndObey]

There is a staff discussion underway regarding the naming of the congregational areas, and the placements of the forums within those areas.

Nothing solid yet, though.

I just wanted to let you know that the staff is discussing options.

Well unfortunately every time we try to discuss our placement here on CF in this forum, someone comes in and disrupts the conversation and the whole thread gets yanked. Which, by the way, is exactly why the split was necessary to begin with. I guess that's the plan and it works perfectly every time it seems.

If someone belongs to a denomination and they agree with the what the denomination teaches, then I don't see a problem, personally. We aren't a "movement".

CF already has a guideline of what they consider membership of a forum to be, and it's the same out there in real life.

I could join a Baptist church today and be an official member on the books, but if I teach a contrary message, does that make me a Baptist?

I know every effort is being made to keep EVERYBODY happy, but the reality is that it won't happen. You CAN'T make everybody happy.

We belong to a denomination and we agree with what it teaches. It really is that simple.

 

[DeanM]

Well unfortunately every time we try to discuss our placement here on CF in this forum, someone comes in and disrupts the conversation and the whole thread gets yanked.

Hi Trust.

The placement of this forum and the naming of the areas here are not subject to the wishes of the forums, but are decided by upper staff. Threads/posts that discuss staff actions will be treated as violations.

Which, by the way, is exactly why the split was necessary to begin with. I guess that's the plan and it works perfectly every time it seems.

The placement of this forum, as far as I know, was not even under consideration at the time of the split. I could be wrong, though. I certainly wasn't aware of any movement of the forums at that time.

If someone belongs to a denomination and they agree with the what the denomination teaches, then I don't see a problem, personally. We aren't a "movement".

Again, the final placement of the forums and the names of the areas are currently under discussion. You're not the only forum with concerns, and the upper staff is working toward solving these issues. It may take some time.

CF already has a guideline of what they consider membership of a forum to be, and it's the same out there in real life.

Memberships are no longer enforced. The member lists and icons have been done away with. Posts are now moderated based on content, and whether they comply with FSGs.

I could join a Baptist church today and be an official member on the books, but if I teach a contrary message, does that make me a Baptist?

It wouldn't matter here. We do not enforce memberships.

I know every effort is being made to keep EVERYBODY happy, but the reality is that it won't happen. You CAN'T make everybody happy.

True.

We belong to a denomination and we agree with what it teaches. It really is that simple.

Upper staff is currently aware of your stance.

There have been some drastic changes in CF. Memberships are no longer enforced. Forums do not vote their mods in or out. Forums do not choose the wording of their FSGs.

Many of the things that used to happen in CF are no longer valid.

IOW, your forum can't choose its mods, its placement within CF, who it considers a member, etc.

Upper staff will accept recommendations, though. This can be done here:
http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=883

IOW, the discussion of your forum's placement will possibly be considered, but in the end it is not up to your forum.

For what it's worth, your mod team has no say in the matter either. We just enforce the rules, roll with the changes, and try to keep all you guys up to speed on the current state of affairs.

We didn't make the rules. We just do our best to explain them when questions arise.



Dean

 

[Windmill]

I think there was too much fighting going on, the the mods made the decision that it would be better to separate the two groups?

I also do not like being placed under "faith groups".