Noisome????

[visionary]

noisome and grievous sore

Rev 16:2

"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image".

In the verse quote above, "noisome" is kakos, and "grievous" is poneros.

Greek has two words for "bad" or "evil": kakos ( κακος ) and poneros ( πονηρος )

Kakos is a more general term, covering almost all types of "bad" or "evil."

Poneros is more specific, primarily referencing someone who has a thoroughly corrupted character.

In general, we use kakos to describe things or people who are BEHAVING very badly or DOING evil. We use poneros to describe things or people who are thoroughly evil, with no redeeming qualities at all. They are are thoroughly corrupted in their characters.

So a person who gets upset because someone cut them off in traffic, and pulls a gun and kills them, is kakos. That was VERY bad behavior. But the person who does it because they just LOVE to kill people (like a serial killer), is poineros. They are thoroughly evil, with totally corrupted characters.

When used TOGETHER of PEOPLE, kakos usually indicates that action or behavior was very bad, and poneros indicates that the intent or character behind it was thoroughly evil.

When used together of THINGS, kakos indicates that the thing is very destructive or completely malignant, and poneros indicates it is "wickedly painful," implying that the pain is beyond the human capacity to endure it.
Thus, the sores were malignant and destructive (scarring and damaging the tissues), as well as so intensely painful that it would probably drive the people virtually insane from the agony.

So in relationship to "sores" how can a sore be noisome... does it make noise?

 

[calluna]

So in relationship to "sores" how can a sore be noisome... does it make noise?

No, but then the KJV is no very reliable guide to original meaning anyway. Modern versions obviate such problems as these.

'The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshipped his image.' NIV

'So the first angel went and poured his bowl on the earth, and foul and evil sores came upon the men who bore the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.' RSV

'So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. NKJV

'So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.' NASB

Translators have some latitude and can use their imagination here, though 'noise-some' would be going too far. The KJV men seem to have simply copied Tyndale here. The original Middle English meaning of 'noisome' is 'harmful, injurious, noxious' (Oxford), a word that is still found in modern dictionaries, but is seldom used, and modern translations have discarded it, with good reason, surely.

 

[visionary]

Is this sore something that is already here or is it to come and how is it different if diferent at all.

 

[pehkay]

evil

 

[revanneosl]

In the english of 1611, the word "noisome" meant "smelly"

This is one of many verses that illustrates the need to use a modern translation of the Bible, rather than one from so very long ago.

 

[visionary]

So how are these sores any different from the smelly, sore, oozy sores that we can get now?

 

[revanneosl]

I doubt that they're meant to be understood as anything different from your standard-issue icky smelly plague of sores. Smallpox maybe? Does smallpox smell bad?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

rotting puss ... smells bad

 

[visionary]

like the flesh eating bacteria??

 

[A Brother In Christ]

that does not stink in beginning stages but maybe latter

could be a new disease

 

[revanneosl]

like the flesh eating bacteria??

I doubt it. Necrotizing fascitis was first described in 1848, and is thought to be a recently-developed mutation of staph.

that does not stink in beginning stages but maybe latter

could be a new disease

No, no...it would have to be a very old disease - one known to a person of the late 1st or early 2nd century.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

I doubt it. Necrotizing fascitis was first described in 1848, and is thought to be a recently-developed mutation of staph.



No, no...it would have to be a very old disease - one known to a person of the late 1st or early 2nd century.

verses please ...

 

[visionary]

Since it is tagged to an event.. it also must be recognized as the plague for said event. Just as Moses declared the penalty {aka plagues} so also the two witnesses call for plagues at will during their ministry for sins of nations. So while it may be something totally different about its appearance of the scene, like there is some elements that we are familiar with just as a plague of locust is familiar to the Egyptians back then.. this one has the ominous hand of the Lord on it.

 

[revanneosl]

verses please ...

see OP: Rev. 16.2

 

[A Brother In Christ]

what word are you refering too ... talking about speculation

 

[revanneosl]

The OP referenced the word "noisesome" which is from the KJV version translation of Revelation 16.2 The Greek word is κακον.