Noah's Ark

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

Foxfyre said:
You must not have gotten the memo that I don't respond to chopped up posts like this. Most especially those that come across as condescending and insulting. But do have a wonderful afternoon.

Please, when you make such terrible errors you are in no position to claim that someone else is being "condescending and insulting".

And I tried not to chop up your post excessively. You hit on quite a few different subjects. They needed to be all dealt with separately.

If you do not like others chopping up your posts then concentrate on one point at a time.

So once again, you made an obviously errant claim, that no one could prove whether or not there was a a flood. That is really no problem at all. Tell me the details of your flood beliefs and I will explain why they are wrong.

AV1611VET · Jul 12, 2017

Foxfyre said:
Unfortunately, the only evidence we have of that three-hour solar eclipse is the Biblical account.

Unfortunate for who?

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

Foxfyre said:
Discussing miracles in a scientific paper would not be something any of us would likely do nor would we discuss such in math or geometry class or when teaching design or any how to subject. But we certainly those who are Christian would use the term in philosophical or religious discussion in which it would be appropriate. Even Einstein expressed Spinoza's God as an explanation for perfection that was impossible to accept as pure chance or accident--his concession to some sort of universal intelligence involved in the process. I would guess that he would not say there were no such things as miracles, but he would characterize them as being rationally ordered within the laws of nature/science even though we did not yet have the means to explain them.

I will admit to some curiosity as to what convinced you that miracles did not exist? I can fully understand not accepting Noah and the flood as a literal event as i don't do that either, but my faith in God and miracles was not shaken when I came to that conclusion. Nor do those who believe it literally bother me.

Einstein tended to use "god" in an allegorical sense. There is no real reason to think that he believed in a god. And he thought that the Jewish and Christian Gods were childish beliefs.

From my experience when any recent "miracle" is investigated it is always just a normal occurrence. But since you made the miracle claim perhaps you have some examples that do not fall into that category.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

Foxfyre said:
Unfortunately, the only evidence we have of that three-hour solar eclipse is the Biblical account. And unfortunately the only thing the Biblical account can prove is that a particular passage exists. Unless there is supporting evidence that a passage is true or actually happened, the source itself will not convince the unbeliever.

I think the unbeliever is likely going to be secure in his/her belief that such stories are religious myths with no basis in fact.

The whole story of Jesus itself is pretty incredible in almost all aspects. So how is it that perfect sane and well educated men and women believe while the Atheist cannot and doesn't even want to?

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.--I Corinthians 2:14

I think that passage, indeed all of I Cor 2, covers a broad spectrum of Biblical events and miracles.

And such an event would, in all likelihood, be recorded if it actually happened. Eclipses were recorded and they are only a few minutes long at the most. How do you explain that such an event went unnoticed among the general populace?

AV1611VET · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
How do you explain that such an event went unnoticed among the general populace?

Nero.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Nero.

So Nero got into his time machine and went back to the crucifixion? Then what did he do?

AV1611VET · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
So Nero got into his time machine and went back to the crucifixion? Then what did he do?

LOL solid aurum

Foxfyre · Jul 12, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Unfortunate for who?

Unfortunate for those who want to convince somebody else that such an event occurred. Can't be done. It is one of many things we believe with faith and spiritual understanding.

Foxfyre · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Einstein tended to use "god" in an allegorical sense. There is no real reason to think that he believed in a god. And he thought that the Jewish and Christian Gods were childish beliefs.

From my experience when any recent "miracle" is investigated it is always just a normal occurrence. But since you made the miracle claim perhaps you have some examples that do not fall into that category.

I agree that Einstein did not believe in a personal God as a Christian or Jew would believe. I do not think he was speaking in an allegorical sense at all; nor did Spinoza. But Einstein rejected the label 'Atheist" because he was open to the strong possibility of some form of intelligence being involved the how things evolve and what they become purely because the odds of achieving so much perfection purely by chance seemed improbable to him.

Foxfyre · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
And such an event would, in all likelihood, be recorded if it actually happened. Eclipses were recorded and they are only a few minutes long at the most. How do you explain that such an event went unnoticed among the general populace?

I never said it was a solar eclipse. I'm pretty sure it was something else as I explained in the post following the one you quoted.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

AV1611VET said:
LOL solid aurum

I just wanted to make your error obvious to even you.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

Foxfyre said:
I never said it was a solar eclipse. I'm pretty sure it was something else as I explained in the post following the one you quoted.

I missed that. At any rate that is only one of the events from the crucifixion that does not ring true.

AV1611VET · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
I just wanted to make your error obvious to even you.

Uhhhhh ... eeeeeee yah ... okay.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

Foxfyre said:
I agree that Einstein did not believe in a personal God as a Christian or Jew would believe. I do not think he was speaking in an allegorical sense at all; nor did Spinoza. But Einstein rejected the label 'Atheist" because he was open to the strong possibility of some form of intelligence being involved the how things evolve and what they become purely because the odds of achieving so much perfection purely by chance seemed improbable to him.

No, Einstein only said that he was not a"professional atheist". In other words he did not like atheists that ranted on street corners any more than he would have liked street preachers. Today that sort of atheist is called a "strong atheist". In one of his letters he told a priest that he could consider him to be an atheist. Einstein was probably the same sort of atheist that most of the atheist posters here are.

And please, I doubt if Einstein would make the same error that you did at the end. The life that we see today did not arise by "chance" according to the theory of evolution. Planets were not formed by "chance". You made a huge error earlier with your "just right" claim. And you still need to learn a bit more so that you don't repeat it.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Uhhhhh ... eeeeeee yah ... okay.

So you did not understand your error?

AV1611VET · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
So you did not understand your error?

No.

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

AV1611VET said:
No.

Nero was not emperor when Christ was alive. He became emperor years later.

AV1611VET · Jul 12, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Nero was not emperor when Christ was alive.

Did I say he was?

Subduction Zone said:
He became emperor years later.

Yaaaa ... imagine that!

OldWiseGuy · Jul 12, 2017

VirOptimus said:
In other words, you don know because you dont know the physics of water. You are guessing, and science is not done on guessing. Its done through dilligent work, observation, calculations and experiment.

With all his knowledge, diligent work, observation, calculations and experiments he could have written a better explanation for the benefit of the thousands who read that newspaper. Thousands of people now believe that the lake is totally refreshed several times a year, when it isn't. It took an amateur to present an accurate picture (although I never did actually present it.......oh wait, I just did).

Subduction Zone · Jul 12, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Did I say he was?
Yaaaa ... imagine that!

I see that you still have no clue as to your error.

Oh well, there are some things that AV refuses to understand.

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