No Will of God without Kaiser?

[jonojim1337]

Of course Christians will overlook these things, as they will a lot of other.

In what context did Jesus say, Render unto Caeser? In the Roman Republic, where the Senate chose what family would rule? A sort of, lot? Or in the Reign of Julius Caeser, Augustus and Tiberius, a position that could only be passed on, by heir?

 

[Hoping2]

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Of course Christians will overlook these things, as they will a lot of other.

Which things are you referring to ?

In what context did Jesus say, Render unto Caesar?

The context was, the Pharisees and Herodians trying to trip Jesus up.
Should they pay tribute, or not ? (Mark 12:13-17)

In the Roman Republic, where the Senate chose what family would rule? A sort of, lot? Or in the Reign of Julius Caeser, Augustus and Tiberius, a position that could only be passed on, by heir?

Why would it matter ?

 

[jonojim1337]

Which things are you referring to ?

The context was, the Pharisees and Herodians trying to trip Jesus up.
Should they pay tribute, or not ? (Mark 12:13-17)

Why would it matter ?

You don't want, the salute of Kaiser household?

 

[Hoping2]

You don't want, the salute of Kaiser household?

I don't know what the Kaiser of household is.

 

[Lukaris]

I believe what St. Paul tells us in Romans 13:1-14 is a general explanation of the Lord’s example of rendering to God and Caesar. Live by faith and respect the secular law we have to live under. If society falls apart, I believe, we stick to the Lord’s standard ( Romans 13:8-10, Matthew 19:16-19 etc.) but might have start being aware of difficult decisions like we find in Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.

 

[Aaron112]

Kaiser Household Salute​

Based on the provided search results, there is no direct mention of “the salute of Kaiser household”. However, I found relevant information about Kaiser Wilhelm II, the last German Emperor, and his life in exile at House Doorn in the Netherlands.
During his exile, Kaiser Wilhelm II lived a relatively quiet life, mostly staying out of the public eye. There is no evidence to suggest that he or his household had a specific salute or ritual.
It’s possible that you may be referring to the controversy surrounding WWE Superstar Ludwig

Kaiser, who was accused of performing the Hitler salute during an event in Germany. However, this incident is unrelated to Kaiser Wilhelm II’s household or the imperial family.

Of course Christians will overlook these things, as they will a lot of other.

 

[jonojim1337]

I don't know what the Kaiser of household is.

It's the family of Caesar.

 

[Hoping2]

It's the family of Caesar.

OK...
Are we not commanded to obey those in authority ?
To pray for them ?

 

[jonojim1337]

OK...
Are we not commanded to obey those in authority ?
To pray for them ?

Ok, apparently, since you're not reading between the lines, I have to spell it out to you:

"History" teachers tell us today, that the early Church was persecuted by Caesar, no? And it took them, 300 years to stop doing so?

Yet Paul tells us, in his time, that Caesar family were Christians, even saints, and, not only that, that they salute us.

Are you starting to get it?

 

[Hoping2]

Ok, apparently, since you're not reading between the lines, I have to spell it out to you:
"History" teachers tell us today, that the early Church was persecuted by Caesar, no? And it took them, 300 years to stop doing so?

OK.

Yet Paul tells us, in his time, that Caesar family were Christians, even saints, and, not only that, that they salute us.

The scripture actually says..."All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household." (Phil 4:22).
This could have been any number of servants, and not necessarily Caesar's family.

Are you starting to get it?

"Salute" means to recognize and feel empathy for.
It isn't a salute like an unbelieving soldier's or sailor's salute to a superior officer.

 

[jonojim1337]

OK.

The scripture actually says..."All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household." (Phil 4:22).
This could have been any number of servants, and not necessarily Caesar's family.

"Salute" means to recognize and feel empathy for.
It isn't a salute like an unbelieving soldier's or sailor's salute to a superior officer.

HA HA!

Get a grip. You think just some household servants would be saluting the Christians and not anyone else? Where do you get this from?

 

[Hoping2]

HA HA!

Get a grip. You think just some household servants would be saluting the Christians and not anyone else? Where do you get this from?

Where do you see "not anyone else" ?
No matter what job one had, they were, as the body of Christ, all brothers with whomsoever Paul wrote to.

 

[Aaron112]

Both gentiles and Jews, believers and unbelievers, were persecuted/ put to death/ much longer than 300 years. "History" is clear about this.

"History" teachers tell us today, that the early Church was persecuted by Caesar, no? And it took them, 300 years to stop doing so?

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Not necessarily. The ones who "salute us" could well have been only a small portion, a remnant , ekklesia.

Yet Paul tells us, in his time, that Caesar family were Christians, even saints, and, not only that, that they salute us.

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Are you able to ?

Are you starting to get it?

 

[jonojim1337]

No Blasphemy detected.

 

[Aaron112]

/blasphemy?
/sarcasm ?
/errors ?