No purpose to universe

[GrowingSmaller]

It could be true, but I don't see why it is necessarily true. Also what do you mean by giving something purpose? Can't something have it as being intrinsic to its nature, or even in relation to another thing? Also this seems to assume that purpose is something you do; ie: "the thing purposively done".

Yes, I genrally suppose that purposiveness comes into being when an agendt does soemething for a specific purpose.

Why not just use skip this and use the word everything? Or existence? Or reality?

Fair enough. Actually I did not envisage difficulty with the original term ("universe").

But if we are thinking about God here, then God (I would say) is outside time, so it makes little sense to talk of a purpose before God.

I am not sure God is outside of time, although that is generally how he is characterised. But how can a theistic God "respond" to my petitions if He is oputside of time? As far as is generally characterised, response is a temporal phenomenon.

In fact this would be true even if everything does mean the physical universe.

What, outside of time?

I don't know if what I'm saying is correct. Just throwing some counter arguments out there.

Ever welcome. At least, most days of the week.

Maybe Gods purpose is within Himself? Also God is an unlimited being which is completely fulfilled in itself, so it is hard to compare God to us.

Hmmmm, divine psychology....?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Then again assuming a tri-omni God exists, He has the power to annihalate everything. But being all good, He chooses not to. Hence the universe contuinues to exist because that is the best option.

 

[quatona]

Then again assuming a tri-omni God exists, He has the power to annihalate everything. But being all good, He chooses not to. Hence the universe contuinues to exist because that is the best option.

Assuming that tri-omni God was suddenly exposed to the universe (instead of - as many believe - created it himself, fully knowing how it would turn out) your suggestion makes sense.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Assuming that tri-omni God was suddenly exposed to the universe (instead of - as many believe - created it himself, fully knowing how it would turn out) your suggestion makes sense.

You are saying evil is too great then for God to have created the world?

 

[bricklayer]

There is no purpose to the universe.
There is a purpose for the universe.
The purpose for the universe is not possessed by the universe.

God's purpose for His creation (universe) is the revelation of His glory.

 

[quatona]

You are saying evil is too great then for God to have created the world?

You have noticed all the `"if´s" involved?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Meaning?

 

[quatona]

Meaning?

Meaning that this is not a position I hold.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Ok thanks for that.