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The Law on stone has no power to save, only to convict.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The speed limit sign indicates the maximum speed allowed. If you go over the speed limit, you become a law breaker. When you stand before the court the speed limit is presented along with your speed, which leads to a guilty verdict. You can tell the judge that, from that moment on you will obey the speed limit if he finds you not guilty, but obedience to a law does not justify a past violation, only grace can.

When we stand before the Law of God we are all pronounced guilty.

Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Through Jesus we receive grace. Grace disarms the Law's power to convict of sin because Jesus removes our guilty verdict when we're in Christ.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Sin is still active in our lives but, through grace, it no longer has power in itself to separate us from God.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

The sting or consequence of sin is death but the strength of sin is the convicting power of the Law.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin comes from the Law.

When we're in Christ we are not under the Law's convicting power because the Law is for sinners.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.

The moment we receive Jesus as our Lord and Savior He cleanses us of all sin and we stand righteouse and clean before God's Law. This takes away all the power of the Law to convict of sin and bring death. But this state of being clean is NOT a one time act of God, but rather, a continued work in our lives.

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

When we receive that first cleansing we become a new creation. God wipes our slate clean but it's up to us to keep it clean.

1 John 3:2-7 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Whoever has the hope purifies himself just as Jesus is pure. Whoever is born of God practices righteousness. When we fail to practice righteousness, for whatever reason, we put ourselves back under the condemning power of the Law until we confess it to God and allow God to cleans us again.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

There is a death process that takes place in our lives when we sin, death is not instantaneous. Listen closely...

Jmes 1:14-15 Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Temptation is not sin. Jesus was tempted just like we are and yet He never sinned. But when we begin to nurture and feed that temptation in our imagination it will give birth and that birth will be a sin, but we're not dead yet. When we continue in that new born sin and it begins to mature and grow into something that over powers God's conviction it will bring death.

The important thing to understand is that from the time the desire is conceived to the time it brings death, God is working in us to deliver us from it.

Remember, the warning of sin is not really to stop sinning. Who can? But rather, the warning of sin is not to let it harden your heart. A hard heart is one that has stopped hearing from God.

Hebrews 3:12-15 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today,'' lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.''

It's all about relationships built on truth and love.
 
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The Law on stone has no power to save, only to convict.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The speed limit sign indicates the maximum speed allowed. If you go over the speed limit, you become a law breaker. When you stand before the court the speed limit is presented along with your speed, which leads to a guilty verdict. You can tell the judge that, from that moment on you will obey the speed limit if he finds you not guilty, but obedience to a law does not justify a past violation, only grace can.


When we stand before the Law of God we are all pronounced guilty.

Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Through Jesus we receive grace. Grace disarms the Law's power to convict of sin because Jesus removes our guilty verdict when we're in Christ.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
This will upset you but, the text is not saying the law convicts. Rom3:20 is saying .......doing what the law requires does not save you in God's eyes, but rather, It only tell you what you're doing wrong.

Secondly, your futher related commentary creates a hypothetical judgment by the law.

Where does any text say that we will be judged by the law?
You and you new friend ECF have been ducking my questions while claiming we dont answer directly. You guys are the ones making dialog hostile.



From Rom 3:20 to Rom3:23 is skipping over the truth that contradicts your commentary...
Rom 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

This text above teaches that God's judgment will be without the law. Why does your commentary misrepresent what is being taught?
 
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Where does any text say that we will be judged by the law?

Why don't we start where we left off with an unanswered question.

How you answer this next question, which you have been avoiding, will determine who much I can reveal to you.

Can I, after receiving Jesus as my Lord and Savior, continue living a life of adultery, lying, stealing, murdering, forgetting the Sabbath and so on without any conviction or desire to change and still be saved and right with God?
 
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Why don't we start where we left off with an unanswered question.

How you answer this next question, which you have been avoiding, will determine who much I can reveal to you.

Can I, after receiving Jesus as my Lord and Savior, continue living a life of adultery, lying, stealing, murdering, forgetting the Sabbath and so on without any conviction or desire to change and still be saved and right with God?
I answered this question from the "Nailed to the cross " thread you posted the question........#41

Why are you posting it here? and where is your repsonse to my question?

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As usual, the question is twisted to ignor any reasonable responses. A person who recieves Jesus Christ as Lord does not believe that a sinful lifestyle is the way to live their life.
The scripture says "be ye Holy for I am Holy" So, those who claim to be Christians tend to depart from evil and while learning how to trust God. Most SDA imply that those who are "not under the law" feel that they can lie, steal, murder, ect. This is clearly a false and twisted view of what other Christains believe. Those who claim Jesus Christ as Lord are people just like you, who claim to be children of God.

What do you want to hear?????
 
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I answered this question from the "Nailed to the cross " thread you posted the question........#41

Why are you posting it here? and where is your repsonse to my question?



What do you want to hear?????

You skirted my questions with the answer you gave.

Now as far as your question, which question?
 
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You skirted my questions with the answer you gave.

Now as far as your question, which question?

They are so desperate for our dialog, they need to use big fonts with pretty colors to entice us.... ^_^

When you became SDA, did you take an oath to entertain scoffers? I'm pretty sure I didn't.
 
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They are so desperate for our dialog, they need to use big fonts with pretty colors to entice us.... ^_^

When you became SDA, did you take an oath to entertain scoffers? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Their faith system is like the wind, there is nothing to hold on to or sink your teeth into. It has no real substance. They say we are not under the Law yet they say we are not allowed to sin yet they say we can sin and it goes round and round. They won't give a straight answer to anything that pertains to obedience or responsibility. It gets frustrating replying to people who always study yet never come to a knowlege of the truth.
 
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The big fonts are to present simple questions that exposes the false commentaries that you 2 make. Then you keep on asking loaded questions.

Seems you just admitted to your own accusations...;)
 
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Their faith system is like the wind, there is nothing to hold on to or sink your teeth into. It has no real substance. They say we are not under the Law yet they say we are not allowed to sin yet they say we can sin and it goes round and round. They won't give a straight answer to anything that pertains to obedience or responsibility. It gets frustrating replying to people who always study yet never come to a knowlege of the truth.
The scripture are truth, your commentary is proven as contradictory.
 
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The big fonts are to present simple questions that exposes the false commentaries that you 2 make. Then you keep on asking loaded questions. Your 2 guys must be the same person.

Your whole belief system is built on sand. You question the answers to questions without giving answers to questions. Everything is how you say, commentary. This is a self proclaimed way to deny the truth. The truth of the matter is, you can't love God or worship God without keeping His commandments and you can't keep His commandment, as an expression of godly love, without a relationship. I don't fight against the commandments of God, I rejoyce in them. So why do you keep coming to sow seeds of discourse? Don't you love God? Don't you rejoyce in God's Law knowing that we live in a wicked and perverse world who is also trying to do away with God's Law. Chose whom you will serve because you can't serve two masters.
 
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Your whole belief system is built on sand. You question the answers to questions without giving answers to questions. Everything is how you say, commentary. This is a self proclaimed way to deny the truth. The truth of the matter is, you can't love God or worship God without keeping His commandments and you can't keep His commandment, as an expression of godly love, without a relationship. I don't fight against the commandments of God, I rejoyce in them. So why do you keep coming to sow seeds of discourse? Don't you love God? Don't you rejoyce in God's Law knowing that we live in a wicked and perverse world who is also trying to do away with God's Law. Chose whom you will serve because you can't serve two masters.
If I said that SDA belief system was built on sand, I would offend many people, so I dont go there. I answer your questions to the best of my ability but I often see that your question is not to reach a reasonable conclussion. On the other hand you never answer any of my questions.

My comments are always on the scripture you post and the scriptures you skip. I dont get the chance to share what I believe because you're busy trying to misrepresent both the scriptures and my responses to your post.

If we claim to keep what Jesus says "fulfills the law", why are we subjected to you accusations of lawlessness??
Are you without sin?
Why are you accusing others of breaking laws that you cannot keep?
 
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And you are full of wisdom, right?

I surrender myself to God everyday that the Holy Spirit may lead me and instruct me and convict me of my hidden sin and of temptations that come upon me. Any knowledge I have of scripture is due to it being bestowed upon me from above.
 
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I surrender myself to God everyday that the Holy Spirit may lead me and instruct me and convict me of my hidden sin and of temptations that come upon me. Any knowledge I have of scripture is due to it being bestowed upon me from above.
Good luck with that approach:thumbsup:
 
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