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Yeah Jn 12:32 is all about Christ wiil Notice
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
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Yeah Jn 12:32 is all about Christ wiil NoticeYou're saying that about this verse:
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.
What do you mean exactly? Do you understand that someone can be drawn to Him by the preaching of the gospel and by the Holy Spirit, but that the Holy Spirit can then be resisted? God sovereignly gave man free will to choose whether to accept His offer of salvation or not because He doesn't force Himself upon anyone.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
God graciously offers salvation to all people and Jesus draws all people to Himself by way of the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit can be resisted and God's offer can be rejected.
Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
He was only lifted up for them He would convert to Himself all of them. Isaiah calls them His seed Isa 53:10Jesus said He would draw all people to Himself (John 12:32), but not all people are converted, so you are wrong.
Good day, SJJohn 12:32 has to do with both the fact that Jesus draws all people to Himself AND the type of death He would die. It doesn't have to be one or the other. You're trying to come up with an excuse to not accept that He draws all people to Himself. He does. But, some then put their faith and trust in Him and some reject Him. He doesn't force Himself upon anyone. Everyone must choose how to respond to His drawing.
Good day, SJAnd Reformed theology also teaches that God hates everyone else so much that He doesn't even give them any opportunity to be saved and ensures that they spend eternity in eternal torment. That is the Reformed understand of the God who is love (1 John 4:8). Unbelievable.
Good day, SJHe wants to have mercy on everyone (Romans 11:30-32). Why do you not look at the whole story?
I am not suggesting anyone raises themselves from the dead. Realizing where you have gotten yourself and where you are heading is not getting you out of the deserved situation you are in. Going to the father (turning to God) does not get you out of the situation, but the father can get you out.So you believe folk is God now and raises themselves up from the dead. Lost folk now find themselves, man gets the credit and not God Lk 15:24
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Now " is found" is in the passive voice, meaning he didnt find himself, someone found him. Its the same thing being alive, he didnt make himself alive.
If you are "dead", I am told you cannot repent or seek fellowship with God, so if a dead former Christian can, why can't a dead Non Christian do it or are you redefining "dead"?-A born again child of God can walk away from their faith and go back into the world. When a child of God does this they become dead to God, until they repent and seek fellowship with God their father again. If they never repent God may take their earthly life or let their worldly life take a toll on the born again child and cause them to suffer for going back into the world. But they never cease to be a born again child of God.
If they could have free will, then is God powerful enough to give others free will choices? Why not everyone?Yes to Adam and Eve since they were living in communion with God as it was before the fall. In fact, in history, they were the only ones who could have made a truly free-will choice.
No, a person can make both free will and instinctive or environmental choices. There is only the need for a few limited free will mental choice (they do not have to be acted on), like mentally you can lust after a woman and never physically do anything with that woman, but the thought is a sin.Free will implies that people are free to choose whatever they want (like a sinner can choose to follow God), when in reality they can only choose according to their nature. You explained that nicely, thanks.
If you are "dead", I am told you cannot repent or seek fellowship with God, so if a dead former Christian can, why can't a dead Non Christian do it or are you redefining "dead"?
Jesus, who could use any words He wanted chose twice to describe the young son as "dead" in the parable, so yes, he was not physically dead. We talk about unbelieving sinners as being "dead", so by Jesus' example these sinners can also do stuff like the prodigal son.-The son in the parable was not physically dead. Lost Son, not Lost Sonship
Do you think all those people Jesus said “Follow me” to picked up and followed a stranger for any reason other than that Jesus had already turned their hearts to him?-I sure am, because The Bible splits hairs when it come to what a person must do and what God requires to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. And The Bible never states to receive Eternal Life follow Jesus. The Bible always states to receive Eternal Life, believe in Jesus.
I could write another 500 words on this, but i will just post a link to an article about this and you can read it if you like.
The New Testament Understanding of Following Jesus – Grace Evangelical Society
Because they walked and talked with God! We don’t. We live in rebellion to God. Sin is all around us. We can only make choices that align with our fallen state because we have a fallen nature. Until our hearts are turned BY GOD and ow have a redeemed nature and we are given the gift of the Holy Spirit to help us we cannot freely choose ANYTHING having to do with God. That is the whole point of John 6 and Romans 3.If they could have free will, then is God powerful enough to give others free will choices? Why not everyone?
He was spiritually dead. This is the point of the conversation. Dead (whether physically or spiritually) cannot make decisions to choose God.-The son in the parable was not physically dead. Lost Son, not Lost Sonship
Jesus, who could use any words He wanted chose twice to describe the young son as "dead" in the parable, so yes, he was not physically dead. We talk about unbelieving sinners as being "dead", so by Jesus' example these sinners can also do stuff like the prodigal son.
He was spiritually dead. This is the point of the conversation. Dead (whether physically or spiritually) cannot make decisions to choose God.
I can only assume you mean sinner to mean an unredeemed non-believer. Correct me if I am wrong, but going forward on that assumption …..No, a person can make both free will and instinctive or environmental choices. There is only the need for a few limited free will mental choice (they do not have to be acted on), like mentally you can lust after a woman and never physically do anything with that woman, but the thought is a sin.
Following God is a righteous choice a practicing sinner cannot make, but the sinner for purely selfish reasons can be willing to humbly accept pure undeserved charity, even while hating the charity giver.
What is your proof that he was spiritually alive in the beginning of the parable?-No he was not spiritually dead, he never ceased being a son of God. A born again child of God can never be unborn
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