"No man knows" hmmmm

[Interplanner]

BAB,
Actually, I don't think the term preterist hinges on that belief, but rather that there was a "return" of Christ immediately after the DofJ. Many futurists believe the temple was destroyed at that time (it is fact) but that it is not significant and not what Mt24A meant.

 

[Choose Wisely]

We must remember that the disciples asked Christ two questions.

1. When will the temple be destroyed?
2. What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?


The arguments always come up when discussing which verse changes from the first question to the second question.

In Luke's Gospel there seems to be a change between Luke 21:24 and Luke 21:25.


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;



This would be the point where the discussion changes from the events that happened in 70 AD to the events of the 2nd Coming, which are in the future.

This makes me a partial futurist.

If we apply this logic to Matthew's Gospel, it means verses 24:29 and after are referring to the Second Coming. In my opinion all of those things will happen on the last day of the trib. (The last day of John chapter 6)

If you are going to ask me to explain the word "immediately". I cannot give any certain answer, however remember that the word "tribulation" does not necessarily mean the end-time tribulation period. Those in the city of Jerusalem most certainly underwent tremendous tribulation during the siege of 70 AD. Also, the Apostles underwent tribulation and most of them became martyrs. Some believe the Church has been under tribulation from persecution since it began.




I do not claim to have all of the answers. In some cases the text is clear and in others we may never know until we get there. At that point you can tell me I was wrong, if that is the case. I do not think either of us will care at that point.

I do not agree with you, but thank you for answering. It helps me understand where you are coming from.

 

[BABerean2]

BAB,
Actually, I don't think the term preterist hinges on that belief, but rather that there was a "return" of Christ immediately after the DofJ. Many futurists believe the temple was destroyed at that time (it is fact) but that it is not significant and not what Mt24A meant.

It is my understanding that what you are describing is Full-Preterism.

However, I do not claim any expertise in this matter.


I did find an excellent study on the resurrection recently, that was done to refute Full-Preterism.

His exegesis of the resurrection passages from the Greek are excellent.

He is a Presbyterian who grew up as a dispensationalist.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvPZmlmiDeQ


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[Rev20]

It is my understanding that what you are describing is Full-Preterism.
However, I do not claim any expertise in this matter.

I did find an excellent study on the resurrection recently, that was done to refute Full-Preterism.

His exegesis of the resurrection passages from the Greek are excellent.
He is a Presbyterian who grew up as a dispensationalist.
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Brian has written a lot of informative books and articles. This is from his book on Matthew 24:

"One of the main reasons we have taken the time to examine the context of Matthew 24 is to establish the proper timing of our Lord's prophecy. We have seen that the gospels take great care in documenting the unfaithfulness and wickedness of the Jewish leadership and nation. We have also observed that much of Matthew chapter 21 and 22 and almost all of chapter 23 is concerned with the wickedness of the Jews in rejecting Christ and persecuting His prophets (both past and future). Jesus also carefully explains that the behavior of the Jews has filled the cup of God's wrath, that total destruction and the permanent removal of covenant privileges is coming. The all-important question is when? The answer to this question is the generation living when Jesus spoke His words of judgment. He said, “On you [the scribes and Pharisees] may come all the righteous blood shed on earth” (Mt. 23:35). “Assuredly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation” (Mt. 23:36). “See! Your house is left to you desolate” (Mt. 23:38). Then in chapter 24 after listing a number of signs that precede the end (i.e. the coming of the Son of God in judgment and the destruction of Jerusalem) our Lord once again asserts, “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place” (Mt. 24:34). . . Christ’s words are very clear and easy to understand. They leave no room for controversy. Jesus taught that His prophecy of doom (at least up to verse 34) must take place within the lifetime of the existing generation." [Brian Schwertley, "Matthew 24 and the Great Tribulation." Reformed Online, 2013, Matt 24:34, pp.9-10]​

Books - Reformed Online​