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What would you say or recommend to a woman who is seeking help who's husband says he doesn't love her. They have been married for many years but got married because she became pregnant. Now he says he has been miserable for years and that he doesn't think he ever really loved her. He has basically already made up his mind. :confused:

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If a man tells a woman the only reason he married her was because she was pregnant and he never really loved her and he has been miserable for "years"..?

There is nothing she can do..Besides stay and be unloved until she dies or leave.

Those are her two choices.

Love

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That is basically the only two choices that I can see too. She is trying her heart out, and I don't have the heart to tell her to just give up. Of course the Bible tells us not to divorce except for adultery, but in this case they got married for the wrong reasons in the first place. 2 wrongs don't make a right!

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That is basically the only two choices that I can see too. She is trying her heart out, and I don't have the heart to tell her to just give up. Of course the Bible tells us not to divorce except for adultery, but in this case they got married for the wrong reasons in the first place. 2 wrongs don't make a right!

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As far as Im concerned NEVER "loving someone" is adultery..and a form of abandoment.Husbands love your wife as Christ loves the church" IMHO isnt because she got pregnant so you did the 'right thing".Sure its "responsible"..But responsibility doesnt have to mean living in abscence of love..

I dont see what the point of the unioin would be unless its rearing children.

Love

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Unfortunately the woman cannot make this man love her but he should never have married her in the first place giving how he truly feels. I feel bad for both of them, but especially for her. Such a painful thing to be told. She probably loves this man heart and soul and he is crushing her very spirit. If the man truly knows in his heart he does not want to stay with her then he needs to leave and stop telling her daily he doesnt love her. ouch!!!! however, if he has any doubts whatsoever, then he should seek councel, maybe start dating her and fall in love with her.
 
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As far as Im concerned NEVER "loving someone" is adultery..and a form of abandoment.Husbands love your wife as Christ loves the church" IMHO isnt because she got pregnant so you did the 'right thing".Sure its "responsible"..But responsibility doesnt have to mean living in abscence of love..

I dont see what the point of the unioin would be unless its rearing children.

Love

Dallas

The problem I have with that is that we are taking and trying to add definitions to abandonment to where the commandments become pointless.

You can't just take any and every problem and call it abandonment.

Yes he's not following his command to love her. But disobedience of a command is not the same as abandonment.

Now there isn't a lot you can do. Perhaps see marriage coucilor with or without him and see if it can help you at all. The only other thing is to make sure that you SHOW him that you love him, even if he doesn't love you. (I don't mean by saying it, I mean by acting in love.)

If he's decided to leave you and divorce then there is nothing you can do then.
 
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First off, is this man a Christian? If not, then he can do whatever he wants. It's the wife's responsibility to Christ to act in a Christ-like manner. That's who she is ultimately responsible to. I recommend lots of fasting and prayer to see what His will is. All this is assuming there is no physical abuse or adultery.

Maybe she will win him over, maybe not. At some point in the past, though, they loved (or lusted) each other enough to have premarital sex and then get married as a result of the pregnancy. She made a committment when they had sex to live with the consequences, and she made a committment when she said her wedding vows. So, she needs to make the committment to honor those vows with Christ's help.

Not knowing the guy, but knowing guys in general who say these things, I suspect he has some issues and should see a counselor to sort out his true feelings. He should at least owe her that.

My 2 Abe's...
 
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I have so many things to say about this, I am seeing red. But the end result is that we live in a world where we treat sex like this casual thing, and problems like this happen.

So, to be blunt the guy is a jerk, a first class one too, I mean he did not care about her, and did not love her, then he should not have been having sex with her.

It gets worse too, as the child is not the child he wanted, he wanted a child by a women he loved, not this thing that was made by mistake that he now has to support.

To be honest he should divorce her, pay his child support and alimony, move and learn how to keep his needs in his pants.

God Bless
 
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I agree with Key (and Dallas)....the marriage is already dissolved, IMO.

Here is an article that discusses what a covenant is:

Does "For Better or for Worse" mean that you are married for life? Stuck in a bad marriage for life? "For better or for worse" has been wrongly applied to attacks that arise from "inside" the marriage covenant rather than its correct application to attacks that come from "outside" the marriage covenant relationship. Being "married for life" means that you are having a great relationship with the person you are married to because they take the violations of the marriage covenant seriously and preserve the joy and happiness of marriage union.
"For Better or For Worse," Conditions of the Covenant
What does it mean when the marriage vows (the conditions of the marriage covenant) are recited by the marriage partners committing themselves to stay together "for better or for worse"?
Does "for better or for worse" mean that you are married for life - regardless of the violations committed against you in the marriage? The answer is No! Nor has it ever meant that.
There are two separate and distinct areas from where attacks against the marriage covenant arise:
  • From within the marriage itself - through the partners of the covenant.
  • From outside the marriage relationship - against the marriage partners.
"For better or for worse" is a commitment by the marriage partners to rise-up together against those situations that would threaten the marriage covenant relationship from outside the marriage.

Many are bound in bad marriages and/or guilt because of misapplying this part of the marriage vow to violations that come from within the marriage covenant instead of it's rightful application to attacks that come from outside the marriage covenant relationship.

Mistakenly applying this part of the marriage vow to attacks that come from within the marriage relationship automatically turns the marriage covenant into an indissolvable, unbreakable, unconditional covenant (a covenant without conditions - anything goes). Meaning, you have to stay married to that person no matter what abuses or violations they have committed against you in the relationship. Not even God makes unbreakable unconditional covenants with sinful man. Yet, we have accepted this mistaken application as truth thereby believing that a marriage covenant with two sinful people is supposed to be "unconditional" - without any conditions.

Within the very meaning of the name "covenant" lies the essential fact that there are conditions to a covenant. Violations that occur from within the marriage itself - by the partners of the covenant, are correctly applied to the nurturing parts of the vow: "To have and to hold, to cherish and to love," EVERY covenant has conditions! The nurturing parts of the marriage vow ARE the conditions of the covenant to whereby a marriage partner commits not to intentionally bring harm in anyway to the relationship; but rather, builds it up. (The full article can be read or downloaded from: Marriage Covenants Are Conditional (NOT Unconditional).
 
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I have so many things to say about this, I am seeing red. But the end result is that we live in a world where we treat sex like this casual thing, and problems like this happen.

So, to be blunt the guy is a jerk, a first class one too, I mean he did not care about her, and did not love her, then he should not have been having sex with her.

It gets worse too, as the child is not the child he wanted, he wanted a child by a women he loved, not this thing that was made by mistake that he now has to support.

To be honest he should divorce her, pay his child support and alimony, move and learn how to keep his needs in his pants.

God Bless

While in no way excusing how he's handling the situation, let's not forget that he wasn't the only one involved in the conception of the child. Surely some amount of "she made her bed now she has to lie in it" applies here too.
 
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While in no way excusing how he's handling the situation, let's not forget that he wasn't the only one involved in the conception of the child. Surely some amount of "she made her bed now she has to lie in it" applies here too.

From what I have read, She seems to have wanted to marry him and have his child, ergo, she embraced what the outcome may have been.

If he never wanted her to be his wife and mother of his child, he should have kept his urges in his pants, and found someone else.

That is exactly what is wrong with our culture, we treat sex like a passing fling, a careless trifles with no future thought.

And that is what has brought upon us many of our grievances in both the home and outside of it.

So, in this run, all the man's fault. Tell him to pay up and move out.

God Bless
 
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From what I have read, She seems to have wanted to marry him and have his child, ergo, she embraced what the outcome may have been.

If he never wanted her to be his wife and mother of his child, he should have kept his urges in his pants, and found someone else.

That is exactly what is wrong with our culture, we treat sex like a passing fling, a careless trifles with no future thought.

And that is what has brought upon us many of our grievances in both the home and outside of it.

So, in this run, all the man's fault. Tell him to pay up and move out.

God Bless

I agree with you that the way our culture views sex so casually is a huge problem. But an equally large problem is your willingness, or even eagerness to put this all on the man with such incomplete information. Unless he raped her, there were two people treating sex casually here.
 
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What is it in the posts that shows she was treating sex casually? It was he that told her he probably NEVER really loved her, and doesn't love her now? She is the one trying....even AFTER he has said he probably never really loved her anyway. What is 'casual' about that?
 
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What is it in the posts that shows she was treating sex casually? It was he that told her he probably NEVER really loved her, and doesn't love her now?

Well she DID have sex with him before they were marriage. Seems pretty casual to me.


Don't misunderstand, I'm not blaming her over him in any of this. I'm just saying that two people created the situation and therefore it's unfair to put ALL of the blame on the man. And it is certainly unfair to do so with only the tiny amount of information we have.
 
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It was he that told her he probably NEVER really loved her, and doesn't love her now?

Feeling "in love" comes and goes. Ask anyone who is married if they feel "in love" all the time and if, when they do not feel "in love" if they question whether they have ever been "in love". Our current state clouds our memories. "Love" is about the Christ-like actions we take even when we don't feel "in love". I pray this couple seeks counseling. It is possible to fall "in love" again and again and again.
 
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Well she DID have sex with him before they were marriage. Seems pretty casual to me.


Don't misunderstand, I'm not blaming her over him in any of this. I'm just saying that two people created the situation and therefore it's unfair to put ALL of the blame on the man. And it is certainly unfair to do so with only the tiny amount of information we have.
The OP says..they have been married for "many years"...I wouldn't consider THAT 'casual'....and she is continuing to try...even after being told he doesn't love her.

I would assume that marriage was agreed to with the expectation that he loved her. Most women wouldn't agree to a marriage if she felt there was no love between the two of them.

When a man proposes marriage--even if it is a response to pregnancy--most women feel that is because he loves her. It was at that time he needed to be honest with himself...as well as with his wife (gf at the time). I realize that is asking for a mature response from him, but if he is engaging in sex..he needs to be able to make mature decisions. How is she supposed to know better what is in his heart than he is?
 
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