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When you are entering into an apartment where the renter is being investigated for murder, and has a reputation for being armed, knocking at the door would endanger the lives of the officers.
False, this was a no knock warrent, given the fact that between excercising said warrant and shooting the victim dead was just 9 seconds, he had every legal right to reach for and pointing his gun on persons unknown breaking into the be room he was in, he was given no time to respond to their identifying themselves.
But had time to make the decision to draw a weapon and act defensively instead of raise his arms?
If people want to end no knock warrants...that's fine. You just get to see these incidents played out a different way. Maybe they surround the building and once the subject shoots, the police riddle the building with bullets...potentially killing anyone unarmed and innocent inside. These situations in the past frequently turned into long hostage situations which are much harder to manage and allow for the destruction of evidence. Would you prefer seeing that instead? You should consider greatly increasing police funding.
What do you want to happen?
I would agree with that if he did not have the time or coherence to think gun.
Legally obligated? They broke in as far as I'm aware using a legitimate no knock warrant,. As soon as they saw him holding a gun, apparently pointing sadly there was only one possible outcome. I'm not saying it's right, but legally there is no case.The guy was put in a situation where the coldest military vet probably would be dead and the people who shot him within a few seconds of breaking in where he was sleeping were legally obligated to presume him innocent.
Legally obligated? They broke in as far as I'm aware using a legitimate no knock warrant,. As soon as they saw him holding a gun, apparently pointing sadly there was only one possible outcome. I'm not saying it's right, but legally there is no case.
I understand that but what are also the instinctive odds a person might play dead until the brain kicked in. His choice of instinct speaks volumes.What do you suppose your chances are that you don't pick it up?
And using a legitimately given no knock warrant,on entering a room and finding someone holding a gun, turning towards you, what would you do? Innocent until proven guilty is in regard to trials, and it applies to the police as well.The idea behind our laws is that people are innocent until proven guilty, how could this possibly be the case where we willfully put them in situations where they have no chance and are killed before they could possibly become compliant?
What exactly do they say?I understand that but what are also the instinctive odds a person might play dead until the brain kicked in. His choice of instinct speaks volumes.
I understand that but what are also the instinctive odds a person might play dead until the brain kicked in. His choice of instinct speaks volumes.
Your last sentence just oozes with irony!I understand that but what are also the instinctive odds a person might play dead until the brain kicked in. His choice of instinct speaks volumes.
Locke did have the legal right to hold a gun and point it at an apparent intruder to where he was sleeping, according to the 2nd amendment. Locke was fully licensed to have that gun.
He broke no laws.
The fact that the police also had a legal right to enter the apartment as they did is evidence that our laws are contradictory and lead to such outcomes. That is why I do not blame the officers who entered the apartment. They were just doing what they were told. I blame the city itself for executing Locke. Unfortunately there is no means to put a city on trial for murder. By the way, Minneapolis is my city. I live here and I am disgusted by what my city has done.
I believe it was wrong to need to break in without knocking here. There is no evidence to the contrary given what the warrants were for.
Well then there's a problem . The key worked so they didn't have the wrong house as one news cast said.Police didn't use a battering ram. They used a key. And Locke didn't point a gun at them. If you watch the video, while the gun is visible, he didn't point it at the police. Locke had something like 9 seconds to realize what was going on. thats no time when you are woken up.
And how do I get from there to the justification to go in without knocking in the middle of the knight with a swat team?
The no knock warrant was a death sentence for this man. If you want to try to frame it in a way that that outcome is essentially OK feel free to try.
It's not a mistake it is a policy.
Giving the police the power to storm into peoples houses unannounced is an acceptance that stuff like this will happen.
The poster I was replying to basically accused ME of the social fallout because people are going to be upset over such a policy.
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